MotoGP 2012

[Mental Trousers]

My point exactly. What I was meaning...was Spies wasted all and sundry in SBK. Got to GP because of it. If he'd done same in GP he'd still be Lorenzo's team mate. And Stoner wasn't spoon feed anything after his mums tit. He raced dirt track until his parents sold every single fucking thing they owned to get him a ride in the UK. Rossi was born into GP racing and has never gone without anything in his life.

Him and Chaz Davies lived in a converted trailer when he was racing in the UK for those first 2 years (or was it 3 years??). That's what you call dedication.

Simon Crafar was from a small town wannit e? If he'd continued his fine form he had with RedBull when they were on Dunlop tyres when they switched to Michelin, we would've been there for longer than he was.

Simon did the things he wanted to do and suddenly he didn't want to take part in the circus anymore. He said the Yam was good enough to win against the Honda's and he set out to prove it. When he did, he no longer wanted to put up with all the bullshit that goes on at that level (basically the same as Spies) so he got out.

The dude is loving life now. Follow him on Twitter and you'll see he's having a great time riding bikes, building his kids bathroom, beer o'clock with Chopper the Dog, cooking on the bbq etc. He's living the dream.

So while I agree certain passports help...I still think if you're really that good...you'll get there regardless.

Passport, talent, luck and money. Got all 4 and you're in. Missing one and you've got to work very, very hard for it. Missing two and you're push shit up hill.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Simon did the things he wanted to do and suddenly he didn't want to take part in the circus anymore.

Passport, talent, luck and money. Got all 4 and you're in. Missing one and you've got to work very, very hard for it. Missing two and you're push shit up hill.

I don't believe that sorry. He got his head done in with the Michelin switch...as did Haga.

Stoner only had one. Makes his success all the better then eh.

[slowpoke]

Ummmm...no. The best riders in the world race GP bikes. The ones that can't hack it there end up racing other also rans in Superbikes. Very talanted also rans. But also rans none the less.

Yet Bayliss smashed 'em all in a one off ride. Melandri was a genuine MotoGP contender on a PRIVATEER Honda, and if Biaggi had the same M1 that Rossi had he'd have been blardy close for the title, yet a lowly superbike pilot like Tom Sykes out qualifies 'em both. Now we have a Crutchlow who did nothing much at all in Superbikes doing well in MotoGP.

And best I don't bring up the last of the REAL (2 stroke) grand prix champions, Aoyama eh?

There is no better or worse, just different. Riding a Superbike is different to riding a MotoGP bike. Pedrosa on Superbike? Lorenzo? I reckon they'd get smoked. Stoner would go well but he'd winge like a bitch at the push and shove racing (despite doing a bit himself recently).

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yet Bayliss smashed 'em all in a one off ride. Melandri was a genuine MotoGP contender on a PRIVATEER Honda, and if Biaggi had the same M1 that Rossi had he'd have been blardy close for the title, yet a lowly superbike pilot like Tom Sykes out qualifies 'em both. Now we have a Crutchlow who did nothing much at all in Superbikes doing well in MotoGP.

And best I don't bring up the last of the REAL (2 stroke) grand prix champions, Aoyama eh?

There is no better or worse, just different. Riding a Superbike is different to riding a MotoGP bike. Pedrosa on Superbike? Lorenzo? I reckon they'd get smoked. Stoner would go well but he'd winge like a bitch at the push and shove racing (despite doing a bit himself recently).

And Bayliss went how well whilst in Moto GP mate? And Biaggi won how many Moto GP titles? And Checa? He's a World Superbike Champ after all. And Crutchlow has won what so far? And Aoyama? Awesome 250 rider. But just another Jap that didn't make the jump to the big boys class eh.
The best Superbike racers get a go in GP's. How long they stay there is a different thing all together.

If you think the top boys in SBK are at the same level as the top boys in Moto GP. You're fucking blind!

[BIG DOUG]

I don't give a fuck pete,I want to see fucking racing and I ain't seeing it in motogp I don't care how freaking good they are, its just not fun to watch at the moment,you wouldn't have lowered yourself to watch the superbikes but shit that was good racing in the conditions they had to deal with. motogp boys would have throwin in the towel about 10 laps in.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I don't give a fuck pete,I want to see fucking racing and I ain't seeing it in motogp I don't care how freaking good they are, its just not fun to watch at the moment,you wouldn't have lowered yourself to watch the superbikes but shit that was good racing in the conditions they had to deal with. motogp boys would have throwin in the towel about 10 laps in.

Fuck off you fucking numbnuts blind cunt. Did you see Stoner throw the towel in at the same track in 2011 when he fucking wasted every other cunt?

You're biased towards Superbikes because you refuse to believe/see the difference. That's not my problem BIG DOUG.

[BIG DOUG]

No I just like close motorcycle racing and in motogp AT THE MOMENT it isn't, as for being biased best you take a look in the mirror.

[jellywrestler]

Simon did the things he wanted to do and suddenly he didn't want to take part in the circus anymore. He said the Yam was good enough to win against the Honda's and he set out to prove it. When he did, he no longer wanted to put up with all the bullshit that goes on at that level (basically the same as Spies) so he got out.

you're full of shit, he never managed to get his head around the tyre change,he gave it his best though but the manufacturers are paying for results and he couldn't quite make them.

[jellywrestler]

Any idea what team(s) he was racing for in the GP500?



Only other person I know who had moderate success was Simon Crafar. He raced for Red Bull Yamaha in the GP500s

apart from the three other 'kiwis' who've all been season runner up in the premier 500cc world championship class, Keith Turner, Ginger Molloy and Graeme Crosby.

[jellywrestler]

Slighty kicked the door down in the Australian Superbike series. Got to World Supers. If he'd smashed them like Spies did he would've got a GP ride I bet.

he did get a good test ride on one and came away in awe of those riders admitting they were from a different planet

[eelracing]

Any idea what team(s) he was racing for in the GP500?

A severely cash strapped Team Max led by Marco Papa.Things were so tight Stroudy turned up at the 95 Japan GP with just himself and a Roc Yamaha and enlisted the help of a couple of Japanese friends as pit crew.Finishing 12th and on the same lap as winner Doohan I might add.

You're biased towards Superbikes because you refuse to believe/see the difference. That's not my problem BIG DOUG.

Go my son...you tell em.
But...racing for entertainment in GP's is dying and has been since computer controlled technology was needed(?) to control these bikes.
This suits inch perfect riders like Lorenzo...for some boring as fuck to watch,for others a masterclass in control.
But ultimately racing will be the loser and Big Doug and a feckless Dorna will have their day when MotoGP eventually becomes just another quasi-production class.

[5150]

apart from the three other 'kiwis' who've all been season runner up in the premier 500cc world championship class, Keith Turner, Ginger Molloy and Graeme Crosby.

My original post was referring to the time AFTER Slight retired (at the end of 2000 or 2001) Yes, before that there were few NZ riders on world stage, but by the time Slight retired, Crafar was finished with 500s, and for memory Stroud was too. I haven't seen anyone since that time from NZ. Only in MX/SX and FMX but not road racing. Unless you want to cound selected couple doing the occasional IOM, but that does not compete with SBK or Moto GP

[Crasherfromwayback]

Lorenzo brakes earlier not later than the others as well.

Told ya he was a hard man on the picks!

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Aug/120806a.htm

[Mental Trousers]

you're full of shit, he never managed to get his head around the tyre change,he gave it his best though but the manufacturers are paying for results and he couldn't quite make them.

I don't believe that sorry. He got his head done in with the Michelin switch...as did Haga.

That's what the man himself has written so that's what I'll believe. Whether it's true or not I don't know but the day I believe two of KB's experts instead of the actual person is the day I'll need a fucking good hard kick in the nuts.

[Crasherfromwayback]

That's what the man himself has written so that's what I'll believe. Whether it's true or not I don't know but the day I believe two of KB's experts instead of the actual person is the day I'll need a fucking good hard kick in the nuts.

You like it rough eh? I haven't read Simons book. But I've got a pretty good memory of what went down when, when it comes to GP racing. And I think Simon may've changed his tune. Because at the time...he always said he couldn't get to grips (geddit?) with Michelin tyres.