Pest Free NZ - radio national

[Crasherfromwayback]

Sorry Boris, 1080 does not 'catch possums' it 'kills' them only.. You post tells me you are onto it .

A list of groups 'pro' 1080 usage. Show me your list 'against' please?

Support: The following agencies, organisations and political parties support the use of 1080 in New Zealand:

The Animal Health Board, New Zealand's largest user of 1080 poison, strongly advocates for the continued use of 1080 to control the main TB vector - the Common Brushtail Possum.[33]
The Department of Conservation, New Zealand's second largest user of 1080 poison, strongly advocates for the continued use of 1080 poison to control ecological pests.[34]
Forest & Bird, New Zealand's biggest conservation charity, strongly advocates for the continued use of 1080 poison to control ecological pests.[35]
Federated Farmers, New Zealand's biggest farmers' advocacy organisation, strongly supports the continued use of 1080 to control agricultural pests.[36]
The National Party, New Zealand's ruling party (as of 2011), welcomed the report of the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment on the use of 1080 as the most effective tool available for pest management in New Zealand.[37]
The Labour Party, New Zealand's main opposition party (as of 2011), expressed strong support for the recommendations in the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment’s report into 1080[38]
The Green Party, New Zealand's main environmental party, welcomed the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment's report as 'favourable', but remains committed to finding alternatives to the poison.[39]
ACT, New Zealand's classical liberal party, does not support a ban on the use of 1080.[40]
Local Government New Zealand, the organisation that represents the national interests of all 85 regional councils, unitary authorities, district councils and city councils of New Zealand, stated in a sumbmission to the 2007 ERMA reassessment tha "1080 is an important tool in New Zealand for pest animal control and Tb control, as well as helping to maintain and protect our unique native flora and fauna.[41]
The Environmental Protection Authority (Te Mana Rauhī Taiao) concluded, in its 2007 reassessment of 1080, that the benefits of using it clearly outweighed the risks.[42]
The Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment (Te Kaitiaki Taiao a Te Whare Pāremata), whose role it is to review and provide advice on environmental issues and the system of agencies and processes established by the Government to manage the environment concluded, in her 2011 report on the poison, that if we want to keep our forests for future generations we simply cannot afford to stop using 1080.[43]
New Zealand Veterinary Association recognises that, in the absence of effective alternatives, the continued use of 1080 as a means of pest control (possums and some other introduced species) is necessary to assist the eradication of bovine tuberculosis and the conservation of New Zealand’s unique native flora and fauna.[44]

[Fast Eddie]

That's exactly what SS-Hauptsturmführer Karl Fritzsch said.

hahaha

We won't tell them our plans until most of them are on the trains heading to the camps.

wont happen

government are selling the trains to china and the rails to the japanese

those cunts cant agree on anything

haha

And I was so close to coming up with the final solution.

ha.. have you actually read a paper copy of mein kampf? u get em in english.. but better in Deutsch

[awa355]

Just a pity we have not developed another form of pest control that is effective long term.

I hear Agent Orange was quite effective, a few years ago.

[Akzle]

Some land so steep it's also near impossible.

Maybe so. But the effects of not doing it are more harmfull to NZ than doing it.

yes. but the coons don't go where it's so steep it's near impossible. coons are so f*ing lazy that politicians could ground bait em. srsly, a good trap line either side of every ridge or spur and they'll be done. plus, start the "million dollar coon" hunt. - government pays 10c/ tail until the numbers are down 50%, 50c a tail until they're down 70% until you get the last coon. the .000001%, that's worth a million dollars. it'd be cheaper than spending the hundreds of thousands of dollars (annually) spreading 1080 out of aircraft, it would involve a lot more people, without the hassles of them being employed/managed or regulated/licensed etc, be a lot more visible, and china will pay 120$/kg for the fur until then.

the effects of not doing it... that's a tricky one. that's like saying the effects of not driving are more harmful than doing it. (greenhouse gasses, human welfare, consumption etc)
it's a cost-benefit thing. and i think the costs could well be better spent.

as for them nipple warmers/ticklers. the daft bitch has it inside out...

[duckonin]

I hear Agent Orange was quite effective, a few years ago.

Ha ha yep 'very' on the pest's and also the non target species.

[Crasherfromwayback]

yes. but the coons don't go where it's so steep it's near impossible. coons are so f*ing lazy that politicians could ground bait em. srsly, a good trap line either side of every ridge or spur and they'll be done. plus, start the "million dollar coon" hunt. - government pays 10c/ tail until the numbers are down 50%, 50c a tail until they're down 70% until you get the last coon. the .000001%, that's worth a million dollars. it'd be cheaper than spending the hundreds of thousands of dollars (annually) spreading 1080 out of aircraft, it would involve a lot more people, without the hassles of them being employed/managed or regulated/licensed etc, be a lot more visible, and china will pay 120$/kg for the fur until then.

Trapping ain't working.
http://tbfree.org.nz/Publications-ne...item/xmid/6205

[Akzle]

Trapping ain't working.
http://tbfree.org.nz/Publications-ne...item/xmid/6205

trapping aint having the funding that 1080 is put toward it. fuck knows it works round my place.

as with the car analogy above, there is a better way, but there has to be en masse consensus and change. maintaining the status quo by continuing to aerial drop 1080, will do just that: maintain the status quo.

[duckonin]

Seeing as I'm nothing but a motorcycle selling little know all...could you please explain to me why NZ Forrest and Bird support the use of 1080 if it kills all the wee birdies like you claim?

Do I not wright clearly enough for your reading ability ? The head of forest and bird listern to the BUREAUCRACY, the rest do as they are told.

Never have listerned or read rubbish created by shiny arsed fat dicks that do not/ never have lived in the field..

The bureaucracy would not like it known they also are part of the killing chain on non target species. Nope they just read the crap they are sent..

As for me, for all you care, I am whatever your imagination wants me to be at the time you read a post of mine.

Crasher it comes back to a "little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing"

[Akzle]

AAAAAAnd.
would the AHB, perchance, be on that git's list of crowds that SUPPORT 1080?
now.. they wouldn't enter into any kind of biased research would they?

73% of statistics are made up on the spot.

conducting research to make the results fit the hypothesis is pretty much the only way it's done, especially if say, the government is involved.

[duckonin]

AAAAAAnd.


73% of statistics are made up on the spot.

conducting research to make the results fit the hypothesis is pretty much the only way it's done, especially if say, the government is involved.

pretty much

[Crasherfromwayback]

Crasher it comes back to a "little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing"

You're not wrong. Still waiting for some stats from you though. You know. Cold hard facts?

[avgas]

I'd be all for shooting them instead too. But like I say...far too much of the land they occupy is too steep. It ain't gonna happen. And giving the unemployed firearms maye be far worse than using 1080!

Now think that one through properly. Give guns to the unemployed !!! Ha ah Yeah right .

Now at what point did I say it was a better solution.

Besides, if you don't dress up like a cop or a hunter in NZ - you tend to not get shot. In fact if you dress up like a deer no hunter in NZ would even aim a gun at you.

[avgas]

trapping aint having the funding that 1080 is put toward it. fuck knows it works round my place.

I think you will find a majority of this is due to compliance cost of the chemical (it is a poison after all). Similar issues are raised with using Hicane on kiwifruit vs kiwi green.
Then there is a labour component. Which pretty much destroys any hunting and trapping budget.
While bird safe traps (http://www.pestcontrolresearch.co.nz...ekilltrap2.pdf) have been found to be as cheap as poisoning. As soon as you add labour to go out and patrol a massive area setting and resetting traps.............well lets just say if you doubled the 1080 aerial dropping budget you wouldn't scrape the sides of a national trapping budget.

Like it or hate it, aerial dropped 1080 is bang-for-buck. So until you want to pay a massive tax to preserve the Forrest in NZ, the governments only option with the limited budget it has is the most lethal.

Or do you have an economics major to match your legal and medical backgrounds?
If so do speak up and tell us how your going to get the BILLIONS of dollars to making trapping a viable option in NZ.

[awa355]

Do I not wright clearly enough for your reading ability ? The head of forest and bird listern to the BUREAUCRACY, the rest do as they are told.

Never have listerned or read rubbish created by shiny arsed fat dicks that do not/ never have lived in the field..

The bureaucracy would not like it known they also are part of the killing chain on non target species. Nope they just read the crap they are sent..

As for me, for all you care, I am whatever your imagination wants me to be at the time you read a post of mine.

Crasher it comes back to a "little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing"

At least "crasherfromwayback" can spell.

[Road kill]

In 1974 I read that there were 7 million possums in NZ.
Last year I read that there are 7 million possums in NZ.
Doesn't seem to me that it's working that good.
My Younger brother who works for EPRO is all for 1080,,it helps them do there job better.
Their job ?,,too get a 95% kill rate in a given area.
Pity that a 95% kill rate leaves 5%,,which can fully repopulate a given area inside 10 years.
And you think EPRO doesn't know that ?,,,it's their figures.
NZ is already being very closely watched by those countrys that buy our meat,,,so far they have picked up 1080 residue in meat from certain areas,,,,it get's over a preset percentage,,,they stop buying our meat.
It's already all but killed off our wild meat for export from a lot of areas.
The people that used to buy it will now only buy from areas that we can garantie are more than 10km from a 1080'd area.
There was never any deer repellent in any of the air drops,,,that was a beat up to get NZDA to shut the fuck up,,,,that's now common knowlage.
NZ has had 30-40 years to develop a species specific poison,,,so why haven't they ?
Could be somebody is making a nice living from keeping things as they are,,,Nah never happen in NZ aye.
Just like no NZ politician is making any thing from being a director of Sandfords,,,Nah never happen in good ole NZ.
Twig an tweet support it,,,wonder who bought them ?
Years ago I used to sit under an old Beech just off the desert rd and watch the Kaka family that lived in it show off an do crazy shit like walking up side down as they watched me watching them.
I would of been in the order of $2000 down had I taken Sako an blown one of them away an then got catched.
DOC killed them with their 1080 an nobody blinked an eye.
7 Million possums an no bodys making a living at keeping it that way,,,yeah right.