Temporary road signs turned 90 degrees while not needed, dangerous practice

[huff3r]

Hmmm - I can see where you are coming from but, come on, speed limits not being for safety reasons?

I know, the public would never believe it! I mean speed kills doesnt it? Even just a little bit!

[FJRider]

I mean - how can a basically finished road be 30kph and a pile of rocks to drive on be 70kph? Same as expecting an observant motorist on the open road to obey a 30kph limit for a few roadcones...

Get pinged in a 30 km/hr temporary speed zone at 100 km/hr by a member of the law enforcers (heading home from a late night call-out) ... and you're walking for 28 days straight off. And thats not even counting the penalty after your court case.

I bet a few wont be expecting that ...

Isn't it funny (actually it's not) how the things you don't expect ... get you the worst. And your reactions to things you didn't expect CAN affect and endanger other innocent/uninvolved other parties.

[huff3r]

Get pinged in a 30 km/hr temporary speed zone at 100 km/hr by a member of the law enforcers (heading home from a late night call-out) ... and you're walking for 28 days straight off. And that not even counting the penalty after your court case.

I bet a few wont be expecting that ...

Isn't it funny (actually it's not) how the things you don't expect ... get you the worst. And your reactions to things you didn't expect CAN affect and endanger other innocent/uninvolved other parties.

So what your saying is.... expect absolutely everything?

[MSTRS:Me]

Get pinged in a 30 km/hr temporary speed zone at 100 km/hr by a member of the law enforcers (heading home from a late night call-out) ... and you're walking for 28 days straight off. And that not even counting the penalty after your court case.

I bet a few wont be expecting that ...

Isn't it funny (actually it's not) how the things you don't expect ... get you the worst. And your reactions to things you didn't expect CAN affect and endanger other innocent/uninvolved other parties.

Yeah yeah - we know that. And there have been times when a policeman has erected temporary speed signs for the express purpose of ticketing the unwary.
Which is bullshit. Just like signs turned sideways by lazyarse shirkers (ooops - workers) and speed signs for a reason that doesn't apply.

[FJRider]

FJ:
Picture the sign on the side of the road, right next to the white line. You are taking a left hand bend, with your wheels hugging the inside of the corner, near the white line, which means the upper half of the bike, and your torso and helmet are over that white line. So you arent breaking any law, but potentially you could go straight into it.

When I dont see any obstacles, I will automatically take a "racing line" hugging the apex to help straighten the corner. Obviously on right hand corners you cant do this as much as your body is leaning into the opposite lane, but I can see how an invisible object on left hand bends could catch people out.

I've seen (and done myself) riders leaning into a right hand bend ... with the motorcycle to the left of the centerline. So the motorcycle has not crossed the centerline and is still legal ... right ... ???
Is that a dangerous practice too ... ??? ... and is it any different ... ??? of course ... if you can always see any/all other vehicles coming towards you. Potentially ... you will ... and it will be fine.

[FJRider]

So what your saying is.... expect absolutely everything?

Stay safe and stay home. Oh wait ... house's are dangerous places too ...

Not expecting things isn't illegal, but it can kill you. You are aware that those signs could potentially be there ... so expect them to potentially be there ...

As you lean your bike over the left hand side white line ... think about that and expect a sign.
I bet you move a bit over to the right then ... to not do so, is just plain lazy ... and dangerous.

[FJRider]

Yeah yeah - we know that. And there have been times when a policeman has erected temporary speed signs for the express purpose of ticketing the unwary.
Which is bullshit. Just like signs turned sideways by lazyarse shirkers (ooops - workers) and speed signs for a reason that doesn't apply.

Yep ... life is fair ...

Oh wait ...

[jasonu]

Have you actually ever ridden a motorcycle at night in the rain, certainally the visibility is nowhere what's available in a motorcar, [/url]

Hey Grand Dad, what is a motorcar???

[MrKiwi]

I was replying to D's post. but unless the signs you speak of are ON the road ... how can you risk hitting them ... ???
The cutting of corners by motorcyclists is also a dangerous and "lazy" practice ... but seems to be condoned ... if it suits at the time.
More motorcyclists die due to excessive speed than hitting signs on the side of the road.

Yes that is true, but again the OP was aimed at having one less hazard which, if it is not necessary, is a good thing, is it not?

[jellywrestler]

Hey Grand Dad, what is a motorcar???

Your mummy and daddy fucked in the back seat of one to bring you in this world, that was even before you could buy RTD's.

[FJRider]

Yes that is true, but again the OP was aimed at having one less hazard which, if it is not necessary, is a good thing, is it not?

One less hazard ... ??? How much of a hazard is it ... ??? How many rider were killed(injured ???) in NZ last year from hitting road signs.
More die from hitting idiotic lazy people ... that dont give way.

The enforcement authoritys attempt to stamp out illegal and dangerous practices on the road with little success. The practice described outlined and being discussed in this thread is not illegal .... it is ... at worst, frowned upon. Thus LTSA can only rely on a safe code of conduct in the respective contracting firms, to prevent it happening. I would like to hear of actual penaltys that can be be given out for those firms that don't adhere to the reccommended practice, of laying the signs flat on the ground.

Perhaps we could set up a facebook page where we can post photo's of dangerous placement of signs we find. It's been done in the attempt to penalize dodgy drivers. That worked well didn't it ... Oh wait ...

[dangerous]

They may do ... when people stop ignoring road closed signs ... and get themselves (and often their family too) into bother, then need rescueing. If it's only your life at risk ... thats your choice. But if you risk your kid's lives ... and it goes pear-shaped ...

The availability of 4WD's nowdays doesn't help. The "I've got 4WD ... I can get through" attitude is now the norm.

WTF... 1st egg or chicken?

2nd WTflyingF are you on about??? shit man yeah if you are refering to my ford crossing YES I did it with my family, shits sake man driving through town has more danger as does going to sleep at night... not that I need to justafie my shit cos well you know me anyways... I am an experanced 4x4er (not a fendolton tractor type) I have and I will continue to take my family in by far more risky situations off road why? cos its still a fuk load safer than driving through town... also in this case I know the road hell I live on it hence I know the ground is well packed benieth the 600ml of water... like I said its only closed so as no one can be held resposable due to the fact we are breed thick as shit these days...

[FJRider]

2nd WTflyingF are you on about??? shit man yeah if you are refering to my ford crossing YES I did it with my family, shits sake man driving through town has more danger as does going to sleep at night... not that I need to justafie my shit cos well you know me anyways... I am an experanced 4x4er (not a fendolton tractor type) I have and I will continue to take my family in by far more risky situations off road why? cos its still a fuk load safer than driving through town... also in this case I know the road hell I live on it hence I know the ground is well packed benieth the 600ml of water... like I said its only closed so as no one can be held resposable due to the fact we are breed thick as shit these days...

Actually I didn't intend it to be a dig at you. BUT ... I have seen a landrover go into a similar ford (concrete underneath too) and mid-way through the front upstream wheel, got hit by a log brought down by the current. It steered him off the ford and into the hole chewed out by the flood water, just below the ford. He couldn't get out of his door ... but managed to get out the back. (soft top Landrover) He hit dry land over a kilometer downstream. He was the only person in the landy ... (apart from his black lab pup) which he hasn't seen since.

This was in the days before cell phones. It took a while to find him. Only because we saw him go in ... we knew anybody was missing .... at the time we weren't sure how many people were in the vehicle.

[MrKiwi]

One less hazard ... ??? How much of a hazard is it ... ??? How many rider were killed(injured ???) in NZ last year from hitting road signs.
More die from hitting idiotic lazy people ... that dont give way.

The enforcement authoritys attempt to stamp out illegal and dangerous practices on the road with little success. The practice described outlined and being discussed in this thread is not illegal .... it is ... at worst, frowned upon. Thus LTSA can only rely on a safe code of conduct in the respective contracting firms, to prevent it happening. I would like to hear of actual penaltys that can be be given out for those firms that don't adhere to the reccommended practice, of laying the signs flat on the ground.

Perhaps we could set up a facebook page where we can post photo's of dangerous placement of signs we find. It's been done in the attempt to penalize dodgy drivers. That worked well didn't it ... Oh wait ...

You really seriously miss the point don't you - do you practice being this obtuse! It was a small but good bit of news, and all you can do is piss on it because god knows why. Grow up man and get over yourself.

[FJRider]

You really seriously miss the point don't you - do you practice being this obtuse! It was a small but good bit of news, and all you can do is piss on it because god knows why.

I must have missed the "small but good bit of news" ... what was it again ... ???