Are the boys at BSB with their "stock" superbikes onto something?

**codgyoleracer** · 13th August 2012, 20:35

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

If the aftermarket discs get purchased locally thereby supporting a NZ business and its employees then that would be a real positive.

I will be in the market for a glasshouse when I build a new house. Glenn, I will be making a point of buying it off you because you are a local NZ business employing locals, also because of the business you have done with me over the years.

Robertt
And thank you for the excellent servcing on my 1198sp forks.
Unless the discs are made in NZ, there is a huge problem with that argument.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 13th August 2012, 20:40

Originally Posted by The Chow

Why would we want to change things when we had an increase in Superbike grids in NZ since the current rule was introduced . It beggers belief that contemplate killing/changinga class that is successful

Originally Posted by Grumph

The first rule for a motorsport in an economic recession is "don't obsolete what you've got"...

If you do want to go to a stock formula you've got to give a long lead time in order for the current machinery to reach the end of their use cycle. .

Valid points obviously. I think Grumph has hit it on the head though. Lead time.

**bones1999** · 13th August 2012, 20:41

"We have electronic fuel injection which you can remap with a laptop and interface. Thats what the modern generation understands. Carrying around needles and jets for flatslide carbs and pulling them out and then apart to reset was a tedious operation that most sane people would not go back to"

Carefull

**Robert Taylor** · 13th August 2012, 20:42

Originally Posted by codgyoleracer

Robertt
And thank you for the excellent servcing on my 1198sp forks.
Unless the discs are made in NZ, there is a huge problem with that argument.

I think its reasonably simple. Many of your products are not made in NZ ( as is the case with mine ) But your business and mine provide a proper backup infrastructure that PROPERLY supports the product and provides our NZ employees with a living. Moreover, our manufacturing principals expect us to provide such a service for our appointed territories. No picking the eyes out of product with no backup committment. Thats my old fashioned sentiment but Im jolly well sticking to it!

Anyway back on topic, unless there is something that Ive overlooked hasnt BSB effectively morphed somewhat closer to our NZSBK?

**The Chow** · 13th August 2012, 20:42

Originally Posted by codgyoleracer

Good post, - however solid regs and proper technical checks have been wanting for a very long time, but Billy has a cunning plan !

Just to clarify something , before I get told off by Billy :-). I am MNZ Road Race Co-ordinator , which assists the clubs running the nationals and also the commissioner . I have absolutely no power when it comes to rules . the opinions I expressed are my opinions and not MNZ's or commissioner. Glen you have known me now for many years and your Bro longer , I agree that constructive argument with odd jab now and then doesn't hurt it got to be good surely to have open debate. Fuck their I go I forgot I was on KB for a mo....

**Robert Taylor** · 13th August 2012, 20:43

Originally Posted by bones1999

"We have electronic fuel injection which you can remap with a laptop and interface. Thats what the modern generation understands. Carrying around needles and jets for flatslide carbs and pulling them out and then apart to reset was a tedious operation that most sane people would not go back to"

Carefull

Im not having anything to do with your mixing bowls.....

**CHOPPA** · 13th August 2012, 20:44

Ill be getting my after market discs from overseas. I support the local markets that support us. By that I mean if the product is in stock in NZ ill buy it from NZ. If they have to order the product themselves then im not going to pay extra to wait longer for the product

**codgyoleracer** · 13th August 2012, 20:49

Originally Posted by The Chow

Just to clarify something , before I get told off by Billy :-). I am MNZ Road Race Co-ordinator , which assists the clubs running the nationals and also the commissioner . I have absolutely no power when it comes to rules . the opinions I expressed are my opinions and not MNZ's or commissioner. Glen you have known me now for many years and your Bro longer , I agree that constructive argument with odd jab now and then doesn't hurt it got to be good surely to have open debate. Fuck their I go I forgot I was on KB for a mo....

**macclan** · 13th August 2012, 20:56

Originally Posted by bones1999

"We have electronic fuel injection which you can remap with a laptop and interface. Thats what the modern generation understands. Carrying around needles and jets for flatslide carbs and pulling them out and then apart to reset was a tedious operation that most sane people would not go back to"

Carefull

hahahaha nothing wrong with that tedious operation

**Mental Trousers** · 13th August 2012, 21:18

Originally Posted by codgyoleracer

British Superbikes are leaning even further toward the stock is best route, which already has stringent control over engine and electronic mods allowed, and includes a standard tyre rule.

Does the old adage - "what wins on Sunday sells on Monday" work anymore ?, and is this the reason behind it - Or is it about having more affordable bikes out there + maybe the "stock" bikes more likey to be more closely matched ? - and therefore a better racing spectacle.

When the cost to build / run a competitve superbike in NZ is 100K + it does start you thinking ........

http://www.britishsuperbike.com/news...gulations.aspx

http://www.visordown.com/discount-ra...hts/20949.html

I like this thread even if it has gone a bit off topic.

The thing with BSB is they have numbers and teams with money. They could afford to have the majority of the paddock go out and buy new bikes because that's what they were doing every year anyway. The likes of Padgett's, Tyco Suzuki, Swann Yamaha etc build new bikes each season. The major difference for them is that now they don't have to do as much once they've bought the bikes.

**codgyoleracer** · 13th August 2012, 21:27

Originally Posted by Mental Trousers

I like this thread even if it has gone a bit off topic.

The thing with BSB is they have numbers and teams with money. They could afford to have the majority of the paddock go out and buy new bikes because that's what they were doing every year anyway. The likes of Padgett's, Tyco Suzuki, Swann Yamaha etc build new bikes each season. The major difference for them is that now they don't have to do as much once they've bought the bikes.

Yes I KNOW

Theres an elephant hiding in the corner.......

It can cost quite a lot of dosh to build a "stock" bike engine . And dependant on the brand its sometimes almost a much as a "kit" one.........

Its such a bastard knowing the realities of things !

I still think that there is a lesson to be learned from BSB and applied here though.

**Robert Taylor** · 13th August 2012, 21:29

Originally Posted by Mental Trousers

I like this thread even if it has gone a bit off topic.

The thing with BSB is they have numbers and teams with money. They could afford to have the majority of the paddock go out and buy new bikes because that's what they were doing every year anyway. The likes of Padgett's, Tyco Suzuki, Swann Yamaha etc build new bikes each season. The major difference for them is that now they don't have to do as much once they've bought the bikes.

Your last sentence may be debatable Shayne! Within the tighter rules they may have to spend more tedious time with careful attention to detail to make the stock stuff work half acceptably and have a decent service life. Or simply have to keep throwing more ''inferior'' and lower life expectancy parts at the bikes during the season. I believe the reality wont all be a bed of roses, especially for the engineers.

**codgyoleracer** · 13th August 2012, 21:31

Originally Posted by macclan

hahahaha nothing wrong with that tedious operation

Oi, keep ya grubby Castol R mitts, outa my clean green 4 stroke thread. Your things are about as stock as the two smoking barrells.....

**Mental Trousers** · 13th August 2012, 21:33

Originally Posted by codgyoleracer

Yes I KNOW

Theres an elephant hiding in the corner.......

It can cost quite a lot of dosh to build a "stock" bike engine . And dependant on the brand its sometimes almost a much as a "kit" one.........

Its such a bastard knowing the realities of things !

I still think that there is a lesson to be learned from BSB and applied here though.

Yeah there is - know your teams/racers, what they can do and use a set of rules that suit. That's what I have indirectly said (very indirectly sorry), their rules suit the teams/racers that make up their competition and the economic environment they are part of.