I believe in gay marriage

[HenryDorsetCase]

I actually didnt realise there where so many Gay activists on KB, this is interesting.............this used to be a bikers site, now its a Homo rights site

Perhaps its a cross section of society, most of whom agree that pointless discrimination is unacceptable in the 21st century?

[Ender EnZed]

It's a bit of a pointless discussion really, and not just because no one has ever changed their mind on KB.

We all know that gay marriage is going to be legalised in NZ sooner or later, and it's not going to be later. For all progressive first world nations it's fast becoming a question of when, not if. Plenty of the people who disagree with it in this thread will have children who don't share their views. The only people under 30 who oppose it are the abnormally religious and the wannabe skin heads.

[Quasievil]

Perhaps its a cross section of society, most of whom agree that pointless discrimination is unacceptable in the 21st century?

That Makes me crack up "pointless discrimination" FFS whats the fucking point ? like I indicated with the Life of Brian video earlier..............whats the fucking point !!

do the Homos want legal protection? Noooo they have the 3 year thing already
do they want their poo pushin relationships to be recognised ? well they already have Civil Union !!
Do they want Marriage ? for WHAT , and for WHY ? just to be equal ? really

bloody PC pop heads in this country !!

[BoristheBiter]

adoption is the big one: same sex couples cannot adopt under the adoption act. I gather there may be some issues under some fo the social welfare legislation too: things like "Widows benefits", but that is by no means my area of expertise: I was talking to a lawyer about it at a function one night and had been drinking so its a bit blurry. The amendents to the Matrimonial Property Act took care of most of the issues around property, though as always there were unintended consequences. Some of the most intellectually challenging work I do is in scenarios of "his kids, her kids, our kids" or where one partner for whatever reason feels hard done by as a result of the dissolution of a prior relationship. Not sure the CU is exactly lacking, and to be honest if I were personally motivated to do it, that would be my choice rather than marriage.

So wouldn't it be easier to change the CU than the change the legal definition of the word married?

[blairnz]

That Makes me crack up "pointless discrimination" FFS whats the fucking point ? like I indicated with the Life of Brian video earlier..............whats the fucking point !!

do the Homos want legal protection? Noooo they have the 3 year thing already
do they want their poo pushin relationships to be recognised ? well they already have Civil Union !!
Do they want Marriage ? for WHAT , and for WHY ? just to be equal ? really

bloody PC pop heads in this country !!

Equal rights - it's a fairly simple concept.

Perhaps you want Marriage to go back to the early biblical ways with incest, woman being subordinate, polygamy, concubines, etc?

[HenryDorsetCase]

So wouldn't it be easier to change the CU than the change the legal definition of the word married?

YES. but politically very difficult (which is the point, in the end).

My suggestion of outlawing marriage and if you want civil recognition of your relationship status the only option civil union didnt get much traction, its fair to say.

[Maha]

I actually didnt realise there where so many Gay activists on KB, this is interesting.............this used to be a bikers site, now its a Homo rights site

I personally know a few Gay bikers....lovely people, there were four at my recent 50th.... and no, nallac was not one of them

[Quasievil]

So wouldn't it be easier to change the CU than the change the legal definition of the word married?

I cant believe some people think that the Government should be even making calls on our Countries Moral issues and issues like this, at least this should be a referendum, or even better the Government should keep out of it, they where not elected to make calls like this anyway.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Equal rights - it's a fairly simple concept.

Polygamy. too hard. Its hard enough trying to keep one happy, imagine a tribe of them!

[BoristheBiter]

YES. but politically very difficult (which is the point, in the end).

My suggestion of outlawing marriage and if you want civil recognition of your relationship status the only option civil union didnt get much traction, its fair to say.

But why should it?
If a man and women get hitched its a marriage, if same sex get hitched it's a CU, I can't see what the problem is.
If the CU is't correct legally then change it.

Personally if you came up to me and said you and your partner had a CU then it would mean exactly the same the same if you said you had got married.
The commitment is what you make it, the legal definition is another matter.

I cant believe some people think that the Government should be even making calls on our Countries Moral issues and issues like this, at least this should be a referendum, or even better the Government should keep out of it, they where not elected to make calls like this anyway.

Is all i can say.

[blairnz]

Polygamy. too hard. Its hard enough trying to keep one happy, imagine a tribe of them!

Scary thought, indeed. But I don't see an issue with polygamy, as long as they're consenting adults let them be together.

[short-circuit]

I was referring to a more physical approach and speaking generally. For example if one was in a bar and another man tried to kiss you or slip his hands down one's pants. Of course people will react differently as far as specifics go but I was making a point about the reality of how straight people feel which may contrast with their public views.

There goes Ed expressing his unconscious fantasies again


Speaking of which....

It's also interesting that so many anti-gay people have been found to actually be homosexual. I wonder if they've done a study on such a correlation between anti-gays and their tendency to be homosexual.

Top Ten Anti-Gay Activists Caught Being Gay

Introject Type: Internalised Homophobia

[ducatilover]

It's also interesting that so many anti-gay people have been found to actually be homosexual. I wonder if they've done a study on such a correlation between anti-gays and their tendency to be homosexual.

Top Ten Anti-Gay Activists Caught Being Gay

Yup, but it's only blindingly obvious why they're like that.

[Quasievil]

Is all i can say.

Really, you think the government should make calls like this? fair enough, Governments historically are Just so damn good at this sort of decision aint they !!!

[Drew]

I actually didnt realise there where so many Gay activists on KB, this is interesting.............this used to be a bikers site, now its a Homo rights site

Your dick in my bum makes you gay, my dick in your mouth makes you VERY gay.