I believe in gay marriage

[Tigadee]

Marriage is only a con to generate more income for the church.
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You're kidding, right? If that were true, why the hell are the gays lining up and demanding for it? They're pretty smart people a lot of them, I thought...

For your information, there are less church weddings nowadays, and less non-Christians who want a church wedding. And the number of churches facing financial difficulty is also increasing.

Despite this, churches continue to fund literacy programmes, food banks, financial planning advice as well as the traditional child care, social activities for the elderly, etc.

I think "Marriage is only a con to generate income for the Government, wedding planners, wedding magazines, wedding fashion designers, jewellery stores, etc., etc." is more factual...

[Edbear]

Apparently.

Ok for those who lack reading comprehension. I said my point is that what some say does not reflect how they personally feel. Or another way- people who are vocal about how normal and good homosexuality is, do not feel that way in their hearts.

Or again... Despite the loud and persistent public noise about it the actual fact is that by far the majority of people are in fact still repulsed by it.

People are too scared to say what they honestly think and feel due to the vociferous and vitriolic, and at times violent, response from pro homosexuals.

You cannot work in the public media unless you are vocally pro homosexuals and if discussing the topic you must be publicly supportive regardless how you may personally feel. On this the small minority rules the majority.

[Madness]

I've gotta get up early tomorrow unfortunately. This is going to be good.

[tigertim20]

Ok for those who lack reading comprehension. I said my point is that what some say does not reflect how they personally feel. Or another way- people who are vocal about how normal and good homosexuality is, do not feel that way in their hearts.

Or again... Despite the loud and persistent public noise about it the actual fact is that by far the majority of people are in fact still repulsed by it.

People are too scared to say what they honestly think and feel due to the vociferous and vitriolic, and at times violent, response from pro homosexuals.

You cannot work in the public media unless you are vocally pro homosexuals and if discussing the topic you must be publicly supportive regardless how you may personally feel. On this the small minority rules the majority.

I asked you this question earlier, and you didnt answer, so I will ask you again.
what proof do you have of the truth and validity of these beliefs?

can you provide an example of a person who fought for the rights of gays, and then reacted violently to gay person coming onto them? (assumung the gay person did it by flirtatious behaviour, and not behaviour that would be deemed sexual assault)

this board, this thread, and the whole debate has made it clear that people are quite willing to state their opinions, regardless of which side of the fence they stand.
further, look at the letters written in to your local rag, you will see further evidence of this.

I dont believe there are many at all who say the support it when they dont, the far more likely scenario is that people who dont support it, would avoid discussing it at all costs, thereby not having to lie and be caught out, and avoid vocally supporting something they dislike. they would also avoid having to listen to counter arguments by doing this.

I fail to see any truth in, or evidence supporting your claim here, further - even IF (and its a BIG 'if') what you were saying was true, and people werent being honest about their opinions on the subject, what does a persons honesty have to do with whether or not gay people are entitled to be married? Nothing!

[Virago]

Ok for those who lack reading comprehension. I said my point is that what some say does not reflect how they personally feel. Or another way- people who are vocal about how normal and good homosexuality is, do not feel that way in their hearts.

Or again... Despite the loud and persistent public noise about it the actual fact is that by far the majority of people are in fact still repulsed by it...

Ed, let me put it another way. I'm repulsed by the thought of personally indulging in homosexual activity. In much the same way that I am repulsed by religious nonsense.

But in both cases, I firmly defend the right of others to indulge in either activity, in the privacy of their own lives - as free and equal citizens.

[Tigadee]

And now for an intermission...

[Edbear]

Ed, let me put it another way. I'm repulsed by the thought of personally indulging in homosexual activity. In much the same way that I am repulsed by religious nonsense.

But in both cases, I firmly defend the right of others to indulge in either activity, in the privacy of their own lives - as free and equal citizens.

Thank you for finally getting the point and posting honestly. I think that about sums it up.

As for the rights or otherwise of marriage I agree that is a seperate topic. This thread has wandered around very interestingly but I am happy to bow out and let it go wherever it goes.

[Drew]

How do you know that? Like I said before, homosexuality was once illegal, then it became legal, then gay civil unions came about, and now gay marriage. It's a natural progression. How do you know that incest and beastiality won't be legal one day?

Ya know what, on further thaught I will not even get too uptight about adult consenting incestual relationships, and if ya wanna fuck animals, go for gold.

I only really draw the line at kiddy fiddling. Should that ever even get considered to be legal, you all have my word, I will blow up parliament.

Ok for those who lack reading comprehension. I said my point is that what some say does not reflect how they personally feel. Or another way- people who are vocal about how normal and good homosexuality is, do not feel that way in their hearts..

How the fuck do you know what is in our hearts? Clairvoyance is well outside your church beliefs ya fuckin witch!

Or again... Despite the loud and persistent public noise about it the actual fact is that by far the majority of people are in fact still repulsed by it.

People are too scared to say what they honestly think and feel due to the vociferous and vitriolic, and at times violent, response from pro homosexuals.

You cannot work in the public media unless you are vocally pro homosexuals and if discussing the topic you must be publicly supportive regardless how you may personally feel. On this the small minority rules the majority.

Start a fuckin movement then. Go against the PC media and present the "comon mans" opinion. See how big a following you get.

[Virago]

Ya know what, on further thaught I will not even get too uptight about adult consenting incestual relationships, and if ya wanna fuck animals, go for gold.

I only really draw the line at kiddy fiddling...

Just out of interest, would the animals have an age of consent...?

[Madness]

I am happy to bow out admit defeat and let it go wherever it goes.

You probably also couldn't get a job in public media without being publicly supportive of religion, regardless of how you actually feel about it.

[superman]

You cannot work in the public media unless you are vocally pro homosexuals and if discussing the topic you must be publicly supportive regardless how you may personally feel. On this the small minority rules the majority.

If this were true anonymous polling would pick it up...

In 2004 NZ was found to have 40% in favour of gay marriage
In 2011 60% in favour (79% in favour amongst 18-39 year olds)
May 2012 63% in favour.

The % is just going to keep climbing, especially as the old conservatives start to die off.

CASH IN ON THE WEDDINGS DAMMIT!

[Berries]

How do you know that beastiality won't be legal one day?

What? One day?

Ah fuck........................

[Virago]

What? One day?

Ah fuck........................

That explains your avatar picture. It's alright, mate - it's not bestiality after it's cooked...

[avgas]

Gay Marriage offers nothing to Gays or society, I say again, whats the point !!

So they can feel the same bullshit pressure as the rest of us married folk.

I am personally amazed by the people who still think marriage is amazing. To me it was the biggest crock. I either loved my (now) wife or I didn't. Either way tying us together is a legal (some say spiritual.....but they are full of shit) bound is not really going to change how much I love her.

We have more serious issues. Like HOW we are going to spend the rest of our lives together. Not what the church thinks of us.
If the homo's wan't to go through with it, so be it - but they can't complain to us when it turns to shit. (like 50% of hetero marriages).

[gsxr]

What is marriage.??? What is civil union ??? What is living in sin as it was called ?? What is 2 people in love living together ????.
How does a cheap or fucking expensive ceremony and piss up afterwards enhance the life of the happy couple. It doesnt. A bit of paper means nothing at the end of the day.

HOW does a piece of paper Whether it be a marriage certificate or a civil union signing mean more than any couple being in love without it and expressing their love to each other daily.
Anyone that seems to NEEDS the sanctity of marriage in my mind in this day and age is insecure.

However I will admit I am getting married next year to the only woman I have ever truely loved .

Not for the sanctity of marriage or insecurity .Merely to proclaim to any fucker that cares how much I care about my one true love.