Where have all the Post Classic race bikes gone?

[Crasherfromwayback]

I can hardly wait to see how my fairly well prepared Katana 1100ish will be recieved. Suffice to say, I am building it with the rule book in one hand.

I'd love to join you. But I din't win lotto.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330779399894...84.m1423.l2649

[eelracing]

The Classes at the club allow pretty much any bike to be raced, the rounds and being run so well, has to be either 1 or 2 things.

1) No one can spend money on racing their bikes right now
2) People are bored at running round and round manfeild short course........

Totally agree and there should be more use of the long track.

If the club want more numbers in Posties I would cross-enter to make up the numbers for more laps of the the long track...I did it last year and it was well worth the protest

[sidecar bob]

I'd love to join you. But I din't win lotto.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330779399894...84.m1423.l2649

Thats cheap compared to where im at.

[Skunk]

pre 82 has died out in the lower north because they only run pre89 at winter series and if ur running a pre 82 bike like mine its hard to compete even more so under the new classes my 1980 350 lc has to run in f2 its not even going to be able to compete in f3pre89 so whats the point of entering f2 the class i have to travel further north to race in a pre 82 class might have to move to an area where real post classic bikes are raced

Pre82's are welcome in the Bridgestone Winter Series.
You'll be racing with the stuff-all F1 bikes, stuff-all F2 bikes and stuff-all F3 bikes. I'm sure one of them will be your pace to race against. The lap times were 1:15 to 1:37 this round.

Couple of years ago VMCC ran Pre 89, Pre 82 and Pre72. We got ONE pre 72 and TWO Pre82. I was one of the Pre82 bikes but someone was upset about my '83 forks so I moved. Still hard fun racing the Pre72 bike...

If you WANT Pre82 first thing to do is enter into ANY class you fit (Pre89 as 82 is before 89) and then (when you have a few) show VMCC the numbers you have. It doesn't work the other way around.

Clubs can't make classes and hope people turn up. Look at the 90's carbies class. Five entries over three classes. It took years for the Minilites to get enough entries too.

VMCC may have to mix the 90's with the Pre89's to sustain the grid size.

Hopefully the bikes start turning up. That's what I would like.

[Skunk]

Totally agree and there should be more use of the long track.

If the club want more numbers in Posties I would cross-enter to make up the numbers for more laps of the the long track...I did it last year and it was well worth the protest

Speaking as VMCC Race VP for a moment:
Long track is out. No one will pay what's needed to run long track. Two Ambulances (now twice the price they were last year), Marshals (just can't get enough), track hire costs, and lastly the Air Fence (we HAVE to use it now and it costs dearly as it needs to be transported from Hampton Downs).

We're talking about an extra $7k roughly. Plus the extra marshals we just can't get. And as of October the marshals must be qualified. Currently we don't have enough qualified marshals and there is no training being done in the lower NI for them either.

If one of you has pockets that deep please send an email to race@vicclub.co.nz as I'd love to do it next year!

[scracha]

pre 82 has died out in the lower north because they only run pre89 at winter series and if ur running a pre 82 bike like mine its hard to compete even more so under the new classes my 1980 350 lc has to run in f2 its not even going to be able to compete in f3pre89 so whats the point of entering f2 the class i have to travel further north to race in a pre 82 class might have to move to an area where real post classic bikes are raced

Why not run it? A well ridden LC350 is a bleedin weapon and would piss all over 99% of the pre89 400's and 90% of the 600's. You'll find someone to have a dice with for sure. Maybe a few other pre82 guys will also take heed.

[slowpoke]

I'd love to join you. But I din't win lotto.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330779399894...84.m1423.l2649

Bastard....you're a bigger prick tease than my bloody missus!

[slowpoke]

pre 82 has died out in the lower north because they only run pre89 at winter series and if ur running a pre 82 bike like mine its hard to compete even more so under the new classes my 1980 350 lc has to run in f2 its not even going to be able to compete in f3pre89 so whats the point of entering f2 the class i have to travel further north to race in a pre 82 class might have to move to an area where real post classic bikes are raced

Kinda tough....but kinda not. As Skunk mentioned the only way things are gonna change is if people support the class. Ring around, stir up a few mates and things just might snowball. That's the way it's working with BEAR's. I like BEAR's, but wasn't a supporter of the separate class structure...all the same I now find myself with a wee "small block" Duc in the shed...how'd that happen?! FYI, it was that or a post classic/pre-89 bike, so get out and support the class and you just never know where things might end up. At the end of the day you're out there racing, which has gotta be better than mowing the lawns with the bike in the shed, eh?

[malcy25]

I gave up racing my replica 1980 GS1000R Formula 1 bike in 2004. I built the bike as close as I could to Rob Mcalnaes F1 bike, even spent $1000 to have front disc carriers made to look the same (like the plastic fantastic). After being congratulated for my effort by lower north island people for my efforts, wanker AUCKLANDERS said "it is not the original bike and you may be excluded from entering the TT next time"
Then when I moaned - they said my bike should have a 1000cc motor not a 750 (was running a 810cc 1980 GSX750 motor from my road bike) Am I the only person in the world to be disqualified for having a motor TOO SMALL? I was doing it for fun, I really miss racing the lower north island pre 82 guys.

Steve.

The only issue I recall was your carbs way back when 2001? I'm not sure about the rest of the bullshit you heaped with but I thought you done a good job.

I'd get the thing out again and ride. There's nothing in the rule book that says you can't build a GS1000R / XR69 and then put a GSX motor in it. In fact, I've seen quite a few these days and if all the bits otherwise fit the age cut off or replication rule, no one has a point to argue!

Ps: I'm an Aucklander. We're not all wankers.

[RobGassit]

Kinda tough....but kinda not. As Skunk mentioned the only way things are gonna change is if people support the class. Ring around, stir up a few mates and things just might snowball. That's the way it's working with BEAR's. I like BEAR's, but wasn't a supporter of the separate class structure...all the same I now find myself with a wee "small block" Duc in the shed...how'd that happen?! FYI, it was that or a post classic/pre-89 bike, so get out and support the class and you just never know where things might end up. At the end of the day you're out there racing, which has gotta be better than mowing the lawns with the bike in the shed, eh?

Winter Series BEARS started right here on KB. Power to the people!! Now if they could just get over their allergy to Motards we would be living the dream.

[_STAIN_]

The club no longer caters for a large number of PC riders who were just happy to be there for the social event as field fillers. There is a need for a PC Clubmans class or go back to Tim's way of grades classes A,B,C and D if required.

[Skunk]

Winter Series BEARS started right here on KB. Power to the people!! Now if they could just get over their allergy to Motards we would be living the dream.

To be honest if it wasn't with F2 it wouldn't be run as the support is small. It does however provide a good cross entry class for many of the F1 bikes.

VMCC doesn't have an 'allergy to Motards'... nor for any other class. We do have a lack of support for some classes.

To explain why we currently say no to Motards:
We need to provide track time for the entry fee. Adding a class that needs it's own grid means something else has to give.

• The number of laps (Are 4 lap races OK?)
• Number of races (Two races only per meeting?)
• Drop an existing grid completely (Drop Post Classics, Clubmans or Minilites/Prolites/Streetstock? They are the smallest classes. It doesn't make economic sense as that's a drop in entries numbers which will require an entry fee increase.)

VMCC had four requests to run Motards in the last two years and had four Motards on the grid last time we ran them.
Each new Grid requires 60 minutes to be found in the programme currently.

FYI: We run 6 grids = 6 hours of track time. Track is available from 9 to 4:30 = 7.5 hours. Lunch = 0.5 hour. So if nobody breaks down, nobody crashes, no red flags, no oil leaks, perfect starts, nobody 'wastes' any minute of the day we could fit another Grid in. I have NEVER seen any meeting have that happen. Last meeting is an example. We lost 45 minutes with the multiple issues at the start of the F1 race.
And don't even think about the marshals not getting a break. They aren't machines. Without them we can forget even discussing what classes are running... Three things need to come together each meeting: Marshals, Officials, Racers. Without enough of each there is nothing. None is more important than the other.

Let us make it very clear: There is no 'allergy' to ANY class. It just needs to be supported by the riders throughout the Series.

On a personal note: Post Classics is MY class; and I'm looking at the field getting smaller and smaller and smaller...

[RobGassit]

To be honest if it wasn't with F2 it wouldn't be run as the support is small. It does however provide a good cross entry class for many of the F1 bikes.

VMCC doesn't have an 'allergy to Motards'... nor for any other class. We do have a lack of support for some classes.

To explain why we currently say no to Motards:
We need to provide track time for the entry fee. Adding a class that needs it's own grid means something else has to give.

• The number of laps (Are 4 lap races OK?)
• Number of races (Two races only per meeting?)
• Drop an existing grid completely (Drop Post Classics, Clubmans or Minilites/Prolites/Streetstock? They are the smallest classes. It doesn't make economic sense as that's a drop in entries numbers which will require an entry fee increase.)

VMCC had four requests to run Motards in the last two years and had four Motards on the grid last time we ran them.
Each new Grid requires 60 minutes to be found in the programme currently.

FYI: We run 6 grids = 6 hours of track time. Track is available from 9 to 4:30 = 7.5 hours. Lunch = 0.5 hour. So if nobody breaks down, nobody crashes, no red flags, no oil leaks, perfect starts, nobody 'wastes' any minute of the day we could fit another Grid in. I have NEVER seen any meeting have that happen. Last meeting is an example. We lost 45 minutes with the multiple issues at the start of the F1 race.
And don't even think about the marshals not getting a break. They aren't machines. Without them we can forget even discussing what classes are running... Three things need to come together each meeting: Marshals, Officials, Racers. Without enough of each there is nothing. None is more important than the other.

Let us make it very clear: There is no 'allergy' to ANY class. It just needs to be supported by the riders throughout the Series.

On a personal note: Post Classics is MY class; and I'm looking at the field getting smaller and smaller and smaller...

All fair points but I was referring to F3's allergy to Motards. I should have been more specific but it was a throw away comment. No offence intended.

[malcy25]

The club no longer caters for a large number of PC riders who were just happy to be there for the social event as field fillers. There is a need for a PC Clubmans class or go back to Tim's way of grades classes A,B,C and D if required.

Eh? Given:
1) the NZPCRA like all clubs is always looking for members
2) The NZPCRA only run one event per year
3) are generally reliant on other clubs running classes at their meetings
4) has not changed anything with regards to the direction which has excluded the "field fillers"

I think you comment is nugatory and without factual basis. Care to explain what you are actually trying to say?

I think you are better served by recognising that people come and go in classes or race with they can. Low investment(I buy a cheap bike), low self requirement to make use of said investment.

[codgyoleracer]

All fair points but I was referring to F3's allergy to Motards. I should have been more specific but it was a throw away comment. No offence intended.

Why not start your own post on that subject Robbittybob, - My vote went to keep them in with F3 (as long as the bars were changed) , which for me was the only real "safety issue", if there was one at all.