1 October 2012 new era for motorcycling

[SMOKEU]

Use the same setup as they have done for the LAMS for motorcycles..

If the driver is on a restricted licence & in a modified car then he gets a fine. Any learner in a V8 or turbo gets one too. It wouldn't be that hard to enforce.

Same as our LAM's ... if it's on the list, and NOT modified ... they're free to carry on. If its not on the list OR modified ... it will be impounded/parked up (depending on a attitude pass) if a licenced (sober) driver cannot be found.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand, any modification to improve the power to weight ratio of the bike is forbidden. That means that every nut and bolt technically must be OEM, and even an aftermarket air filter may not be allowed.

[FJRider]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand, any modification to improve the power to weight ratio of the bike is forbidden. That means that every nut and bolt technically must be OEM, and even an aftermarket air filter may not be allowed.

Correct me if I'm wrong ... but (under the anti-smacking laws) if you clip the ear of YOUR kid ... you are guilty of assault.

Get a brain and think about it.

I've highlighted the relevant part that needs your understanding. It's really simple. But if in doubt ... ask an intelligent friend to explain it to you.

[paturoa]

Great, I'll be riding a biek that is safe enough for learners. So perhaps the rego (ACC) will become enlightened as well - wee Tui moment there.

[FJRider]

Great, I'll be riding a biek that is safe enough for learners. So perhaps the rego (ACC) will become enlightened as well - wee Tui moment there.

Motorcycling IS dangerous. The ACC levy is designed to highlight this known fact

A wee Tui does not make it any less so ....

[Jantar]

1000cc sports bikes are for n00bs, all learners should start on either a Hayabusa or ZX14.

I sort of agree. Not that 1000cc sports bikes are for n00bs, but that a Hayabusa would be a far better learner's bike than a GSXR1000. On the GSXR1000 the learner may live as long as the first corner, but on a Hayabusa, with its smoother power delivery, the learner may survive for as long as 5 minutes.

[FJRider]

I sort of agree. Not that 1000cc sports bikes are for n00bs, but that a Hayabusa would be a far better learner's bike than a GSXR1000. On the GSXR1000 the learner may live as long as the first corner, but on a Hayabusa, with its smoother power delivery, the learner may survive for as long as 5 minutes.

On an FJ1200 ... they don't make it out the driveway. Because the bloody thing's fallen over on them and broken their leg. (with a few minor burns from the exaust pipe)

[Subike]

On an FJ1200 ... they don't make it out the driveway. Because the bloody thing's fallen over on them and broken their leg. (with a few minor burns from the exaust pipe)

On an XS1100, that happens just taking it off the side stand Trev. Let alone getting it into gear....

To the OP
For a person on a learners or a restricted license right now, and over the age of 25.
Do the current rules apply for their license restrictions after Oct 1st?
Specifically the time reductions for age, IE, over 25 years of age , restricted period only 6 mths till applying for full.
I am now on my restricted, and can apply for full in Feb next year under the current system , or Aug next year under the new......
Interested in you professional comment as a license training facilitator.

[FJRider]

On an XS1100, that happens just taking it off the side stand Trev. Let alone getting it into gear....

Or when a pillion tries to climb on ... (Ask KP.[Donna])

[Subike]

Or when a pillion tries to climb on ... (Ask KP.[Donna])

Yes, I witnessed that, so funny.....

[Jantar]

Yes, I witnessed that, so funny.....

I have witnessed her doing that while getting on her own bike, let alone being a pillion. (Sorry KP )

[davereid]

Remember, that if you think a bike should be on the LAMS list, you can apply to have it added.

Hi Tricia

I couldn't find how to do this, and the NZTA told me that they don't have a procedure for this unless you are a motorcycle manufacturer.

Id love to be proven wrong, so please do post a link or tell me who to talk to in the NZTA.

So far LAMs has proven to be just more evidence of the inability of the NZTA to get simple things right. Lovely learner bikes like the NC700 cant get on the list as the NZTA could not resist putting a cc limit in, even though best international practice is to limit size weight and power.

Things are undoubtedly better than they were, but as usual, NZ gets a cock up, and a poor effort from NZTA.

[AllanB]

Unfortunately I just don't see young people getting into bikes. A few of course but it just ain't happening anymore as they are expensive to buy, expensive to run and you can fit all your yobbo mates or slapper chicks in to a high performance $8k used jappa car.

A sad state of affairs. Maybe when petrol hits $3 more scooters etc will hit the roads.

[FJRider]

I have witnessed her doing that while getting on her own bike, let alone being a pillion. (Sorry KP )

There has been a few times when she was "Gravity Impaired" ... or should that be Gravity "Enhanced" ... ???

[jafar]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand, any modification to improve the power to weight ratio of the bike is forbidden. That means that every nut and bolt technically must be OEM, and even an aftermarket air filter may not be allowed.

I'd correct you ,but your not wrong. if it is good enough to restrict learner motorcyclists in this way then it stands to reason that learner/restricted car drivers should be treated the same.
I've lost count of the number of kids I've seen running around in turbo subarus or V8 commodores. They can do it because the law says so, but if on a bike they are restricted via the LAMS. Make it one rule for ALL learners.

[SMOKEU]

I'd correct you ,but your not wrong. if it is good enough to restrict learner motorcyclists in this way then it stands to reason that learner/restricted car drivers should be treated the same.
I've lost count of the number of kids I've seen running around in turbo subarus or V8 commodores. They can do it because the law says so, but if on a bike they are restricted via the LAMS. Make it one rule for ALL learners.

Fair enough, I'm not trying to debate that. The technicalities of enforcing such a rule are very difficult though. The police don't have the time, nor the skills to check the vehicles of learner or restricted license holders to ensure they don't have any illegal modifications if the modifications are well hidden.

A turbo fitted to an otherwise NA car is obvious just by looking at it, but if a vehicle has an aftermarket ECU, cams, pistons, or other modifications that are not obvious upon a brief visual inspection, then how is it meant to be enforced? Should routine traffic stops involve stripping the engine down to inspect it?