Where have all the Post Classic race bikes gone?

[Robert Taylor]

Robert, - How to win friends and influence people in the NZ race paddock:

1) Turn up in flash car & Trailer
2) Roll out a limited edition bike
3) Prance about the pits lookin like you know what your doin
4) Smile and talk to everyone
5) Do well in a few races
6) Repeat the above for 20 Years or so


I just wish i could slip in the dolly brollies there somwhere on that list, but i was hit with the ugly stick many years ago............

GW

There are a few of us that embrace business success ( where speculation isnt involved ) Good on you!

[Duke girl]

Sorry Skippy, looks like even Billy won't let you run F1 on your two fiddy.

May have to turn the charm on a bit more then by the sounds of things..........As you were.

[lukemillar]

Well the change in classes to 0-400, 401-600, and 600 and above didn't work now did it???

To be honest, the only people have have been disadvantaged were those running 450s and I'm not sure who that is or if there are really that many (apart from Eamon who is still turning up!)

I missed rnd 4 because I was/am on holiday, but will be back for rnd 5

[neil_cb125t]

To be honest, the only people have have been disadvantaged were those running 450s and I'm not sure who that is or if there are really that many (apart from Eamon who is still turning up!)

I missed rnd 4 because I was/am on holiday, but will be back for rnd 5

Eamons leadin the championship now........ its just made each class smaller - back when it was 600 and less the feilds was massive, also third place when i won it was a Kr250 :-)

Be good to see you out there thou dude!

[rustys]

[QUOTE=neil_cb125t;1130384748]Well the change in classes to 0-400, 401-600, and 600 and above didn't work now did it???


I can't really understand why it has'nt worked, the F3 bike is cheap bike to run, there are plenty of them around, and also a good starting off point for riders to get out and have a go. At the start of the season there were 9 in F3, now there are about 3 left, so i would not critisize the class yet, give it some time to get rolling.
Its the sign of the times, i can almost bet its a money issuie with lots of people out there at this time, when things get tight the toys have to go.

Definatley the right way to go, it would not have made any difference if the class was left like last year, we would have the same results.

[roadracingoldfart]

Sorry Skip but I disagree. I look at Graded (Bracket) racing this way:
Say you have a rider who is very slow in the corners but on a litre bike running in the same class as a 250cc who maintains corner speed but has nothing left for the straights. (The situation they had at the test day on Friday)
That cannot be safe as these two bikes are running at vastly different speeds all over the track but have equal lap times. And a litre bike with an unskilled rider on track with slower bikes is the worst thing I can imagine.

I had this happen to me at a track day - and I'm not fast on my 350... but I did manage to pass and leave behind a Gixxer 1000.

So running P/C senior bikes and P/C junior bikes together is now not safe ????

[roadracingoldfart]

Yip and I can get you off the hook there Skunk,

As long as I'm roadrace commissioner,There will be NO bracket racing for the exact reasons you state.

Read my previous post !!!!

[roadracingoldfart]

Its all Glenn Williams fault. Fast vrider turns up on fast bike with well sorted Swedish suspenders. Goalposts moved.

Are YSS swedish?

SWEDISH !!!!!! hes a blonde big boobed bloody barmain and he can ride a bike fast too. I hate Glen Williams for that. Whats more hes from Palmy so case dismissed.

[roadracingoldfart]

It's a bloody mystery to me. As Skunk stated, VMCC offered pre 82 as a seperate class and simply didn't get the numbers. Same with Motards. Same with Carbies class. I'm constantly tempted to get into pre-89 F3. Somebody give me some money. Its absence is what stops me.

Its possible a bunch of dudes with a pantering for things old take a bit longer to build shit thats got to be remoulded in wood and other techie materials mate. Give a guy a break.

[Billy]

Read my previous post !!!!

Was just reading it as you quoted me,

Actually it is getting that way,With bikes like Glens starting to turn up,If the feilds were bigger it would be a definite problem,At the moment its not quite so bad in Posties as theres bugger all bikes on track.Ive already warned the NZPCRA I'll be keeping a close eye on the Barry Sheene to see how it pans out.

That said the banning of bracket racing is more about having the scenario whereby you have benny backmarker on a gsxr 1000 and say Sarah Elliot on her CBR250 both doing the same laptimes,You dont have to be a rocket scientist to know Bennys only keeping up due to the warp factor speeds of his Gixxer on the straight bits,Its the collision at terminal speed that is killing our riders and it won't continue on while I'm in charge,Get with the program Paul,Its not 1989 anymore.

[roadracingoldfart]

Was just reading it as you quoted me,

Actually it is getting that way,With bikes like Glens starting to turn up,If the feilds were bigger it would be a definite problem,At the moment its not quite so bad in Posties as theres bugger all bikes on track.Ive already warned the NZPCRA I'll be keeping a close eye on the Barry Sheene to see how it pans out.

That said the banning of bracket racing is more about having the scenario whereby you have benny backmarker on a gsxr 1000 and say Sarah Elliot on her CBR250 both doing the same laptimes,You dont have to be a rocket scientist to know Bennys only keeping up due to the warp factor speeds of his Gixxer on the straight bits,Its the collision at terminal speed that is killing our riders and it won't continue on while I'm in charge,Get with the program Paul,Its not 1989 anymore.

Maaaaate , its not a new fannnoommmminom (did i spull that ok) I was doing it against all but a few of the senior bikes when i was still peddling. Neil is dicing with Paul W and co , dont get me wrong , i dont want it changed because it has yet to be proved broken . I was merely reacting to the "as labeled" previous quote. I feel its wrong as even back when i raced my CB455/4 i was giving bikes twice the size shit and thats whats fun about the older bikes, they are balanced where a slower new bike is just simply being riden slow.

[malcy25]

Was just reading it as you quoted me,

Actually it is getting that way,With bikes like Glens starting to turn up,If the feilds were bigger it would be a definite problem,At the moment its not quite so bad in Posties as theres bugger all bikes on track.Ive already warned the NZPCRA I'll be keeping a close eye on the Barry Sheene to see how it pans out.

Billy, that's one of the reasons why I have suggested to Bubbles and co an alternative class make up for the BS meeting.....which includes jnrs together and separately seniors together, not an age group split.

[scracha]

I think you need to look again at what is fitted to Glenns Bimota

He won't bring it out when it's cold and you bite every time Dr Taylor

[scracha]

So running P/C senior bikes and P/C junior bikes together is now not safe ????

Only when the NZPCRA pre82 senior boys come out of the woodwork at Taupo or Pukekohe. I'm sure these guys are hell bent on killing each other. Frightening. Perhaps addressed below :-

Tonly keeping up due to the warp factor speeds of his Gixxer on the straight bits,Its the collision at terminal speed that is killing our riders and it won't continue on while I'm in charge,Get with the program Paul,Its not 1989 anymore.

Bracket racing not being safe argument is similar to argument against ditching clubmans. You're confusing "a wee bit slow" with "incompetent" Billy. There's clearly fair speed differentials even within superbikes (watch any video from the top 3 or 4 riders). I don't see much issue with a racer being "dropped" a division....mibby even 2 (especially if they're not point scoring and suitably identified). A GSXR1000 doing 1.24s (Sarah speed?) is clearly dangerous in a race and would be best told to bugger off and do more trackdays or get tuition or learn to ride an RG150. A GSXR1000 with a yellow bib doing say, 1.18's in F3 or 1.15's in F2 isn't dangerous IMHO - DEPENDING ON HOW ITS RIDDEN. You could even argue that it'd be more dangerous to let them out in F1 at that pace. Hell, Clubmans in its present form scares the heck out of me.

The more powerful a bike you turn up to race on, the more you should have to prove you have a vague idea you know what the hell you're doing IMHO.

[Grumph]

Bracket racing as such isn't necessarily dangerous. What has to be considered is the criteria for the brackets. lap times alone can work but the organiser(s) need to have an overview to avoid the speed differentials quoted above.

The Sound of Thunder for years finished up with an afternoon of bracket racing which for riders at least was probably the best low key fun of the weekend....anyone else remember just racing for fun ?....

In a lot of the "less serious" classes away from nationals, the objective is often to find yourself someone doing about the same speed and have a good (and fun) battle....frequently this involves what could be called mismatched bikes....personally I don't see much unsafe about this on permanent circuits. All in races on street circuits however, frighten me....

Billy, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, moderation in all things please.