Child poverty in NZ (TV3 22/11)

[Usarka]

Yep. And people look at me with disbelief when I tell them I was with my partner for 9 years before I thought it was safe to have a kid.
Likewise I am only having one. Not that my little boy is a terror - he is actually a saint of a child.
But because I think there are too many people in the world. The only way I can fix that legally is that we have less than 2 children.

People think the china 1 child policy was barbaric. But you cant help but looks at (what used to be) the slums in china, then look a Lower Hutt and South Auckland.....and think "Fuck! Where are we going?"

Fact of the matter is everyone consumes. So if you want to save the planet and save us.......have less kids. You clearly are smart enough to know the consequences. Hope that the others will learn this also.
Its should not be a right to have kids. It should be a privileged. But unfortunately our organs don't work that way.

The trouble with that approach though is that the stupid will continue to breed and have 8 kids. If "smart" people stop having kids it's going to dumb down the gene pool and how will that bode for the futre...

[blue rider]

I take your point, but smoking tobacco doesn't lead to violence, why not just ban alcohol? It does more day to day damage than smoking tobacco ever could. Or hows about, if you don't have a job, then you have to take a predefined bus at a predefined time to reach a predefined "supermarket" to pick up your predefined food allocation and then send your shit (and your childrens shit) for analysis to prove that you ate your predefined food allocation, otherwise your predefined rations will be pegged back until to step into line and queue up for non-existent jobs like everyone else.. and you will be rewarded with a predefined pint at a predefined pub.

I am looking at tobacco as it is a health issue in general - respiratory diseases that are being need to be cared and paid for, as it is a mental issue - many might like to stop but are to weak willed etc.

as for alcohol, i agree, institute a psychlogical profile, and if ya don't fit you can not have your daily/weekly/monthly allocation (regardless of any income and status) thusly it should prevent violence.
and than make the sacred herb freely available because violence is not really on of its charactaristics. and it could be a brilliant cash cow, just think of the tax revenue, it would take power away of petty criminals, keep people out of prison etc......!

as for drug testing beneficiaries, who will pay for it? who will do the testing? and if the tested person comes back as clean who will pay for the testing etc. Currently this is being done in Florida, with interesting results.

http://apps.lobbytools.com/pub/index...bills&id=31064
http://www.examiner.com/hispanic-com...ng-and-welfare
http://sunstateactivist.org/ssablog/...-hit-in-court/

just some links, there is alot out of there.

basically the point is, if one pays tax - they also pay towards social welfare, unemployment benefits, accomodation benefits etc.
So who should be drug tested, how many times, who should do the testing, who should pay for it, will those that pass be re-imboursed etc.

it is a sad state of affairs, if the general populace believes that welfare receipients are all drug users, people with irresponsible sex lifes, bludgers and other assorted scum of the earth.
heres to hope that none of us never needs any of the services that we are actually paying for in form of our tax.
it is so much better to pay tax for .........what again - polititians salarys and big cars, wine, travels and other perks?

[blue rider]

disclaimer to my previous post

i like vodka, beer, and the of it and usually i just fall asleep eventually.

I am not really endorsing any drugs (other than the ones i use ), however I would like some consistency in our drug policys.
Tobacco is a killer this is now established, yet it is legal and taxed.
Alcohol is a killer - this is also established, yet it is legal and taxed.
Marie Jeanne is maybe a killer - not yet quite established, but it is illegal, which creates a void in which crime floursishes.

so if we condone of drug testing current and future welfare applicants for which drugs are we testing?
only the ones illegal, or also the legal ones? And will benefits denied only if one uses illegal drugs or also the legal ones?

[BoristheBiter]

I take your point, but smoking tobacco doesn't lead to violence, why not just ban alcohol? It does more day to day damage than smoking tobacco ever could. Or hows about, if you don't have a job, then you have to take a predefined bus at a predefined time to reach a predefined "supermarket" to pick up your predefined food allocation and then send your shit (and your childrens shit) for analysis to prove that you ate your predefined food allocation, otherwise your predefined rations will be pegged back until to step into line and queue up for non-existent jobs like everyone else.. and you will be rewarded with a predefined pint at a predefined pub.

That would have to be your best idea since ages ago.

[MD]

But because I think there are too many people in the world. The only way I can fix that legally is that we have less than 2 children.

People think the china 1 child policy was barbaric. But you cant help but looks at (what used to be) the slums in china, then look a Lower Hutt and South Auckland.....and think "Fuck! Where are we going?"

Fact of the matter is everyone consumes. So if you want to save the planet and save us.......have less kids. You clearly are smart enough to know the consequences. Hope that the others will learn this also.
Its should not be a right to have kids. It should be a privileged. But unfortunately our organs don't work that way.

Wise words. It's just a shame the dumb lazy slobs that shouldn't be breeding don't read.
Intelligent hard working people that want a quality life for themselves and their children only procreate for what they can sustain.

We are heading for a world over population disaster and that world will be full of idiots. The world media all celebrated the fact last month that the world pop. reached 7 billion. I see nothing but shame in that milestone.

There is no child starvation or child poverty problem. What we have is adults in poverty and/or famine breeding like rats, fully aware that they can not, or do not intend to, give the child the necessities for life.

[avgas]

The trouble with that approach though is that the stupid will continue to breed and have 8 kids. If "smart" people stop having kids it's going to dumb down the gene pool and how will that bode for the futre...

Eventually we all must learn.
The alternative is that we all die.

Either way the human race will never be the same again. Here's hoping the stupid get smart before then.
Other than that we can only do what we can do. Hell of a better solution that putting the burden on our kids to not only fix past generations faults but to also fix ours.

[mashman]

That would have to be your best idea since ages ago.

As I've said before, if I batted for the other team, noooo not honda, you'd all be fubar and I'd make JK look like a boy scout

[mashman]

Wise words. It's just a shame the dumb lazy slobs that shouldn't be breeding don't read.
Intelligent hard working people that want a quality life for themselves and their children only procreate for what they can sustain.

We are heading for a world over population disaster and that world will be full of idiots. The world media all celebrated the fact last month that the world pop. reached 7 billion. I see nothing but shame in that milestone.

There is no child starvation or child poverty problem. What we have is adults in poverty and/or famine breeding like rats, fully aware that they can not, or do not intend to, give the child the necessities for life.

who give a shit when there's money to be made!

[avgas]

who give a shit when there's money to be made!

There is money to be made. And we can solve poverty.

[mashman]

Yahoo! poll results: child poverty... it would seem that a huge amount of Kiwi's are cunts.

[BoristheBiter]

Yahoo! poll results: child poverty... it would seem that a huge amount of Kiwi's are cunts.

And the rest are lazy parents.

[mashman]

And the rest are lazy parents.

And I thought they'd be the concerned citizens... that'll learn me

[avgas]

But the real question is how many people care about polls?

[Paul in NZ]

Most of the poverty in NZ is a poverty of the spirit.... Its the hardest to fix and you sure aint going to find it at the local liquor wholesalers...

[oneofsix]

"41% of the people think the kids should just help themselves" I don't see a problem, there should therefore no longer be any hungry kids at school, just pop down the road and help yourself. Changes are that was 100% of small to medium business owners so the local dairy or restaurant would be a good place to start, oh and if you need a ride to school just pop into the nearest car yard and "help yourself"