I believe in gay marriage

**oneofsix** · 30th August 2012, 15:22

If this Gay Marriage thing is all about equality and being allowed to adopt etc then how come the adoption has to be debated separately and adoption is actually in a totally different bill http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...-to-be-debated.

I call

on most of the pro-gay marriage crap in this thread. The marriage bill is only about the use of the word.

**BoristheBiter** · 30th August 2012, 17:33

Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase

name and shame:

List of MPs who voted against the first reading of the marriage equality bill:

WTF? It is their right to choose to support it or not or do equal rights not work in this?

I don't agree that 120 MP's have the right to decide this for a country it should go to a referendum.

**oldrider** · 30th August 2012, 18:01

Even if they were given all the bells and whistles that "marriage" has under "Civil Union" they would not be happy until they get that "marriage" title!

Then it would be some other issue, then another, then another ad infinitum and whether you support them or not is immaterial ... it is simply the nature of the beast!

Personally I don't have a fixed opinion I just think there are too many other more important issues for parliament to focus on right now, rather than this!

**Madness** · 30th August 2012, 18:13

Originally Posted by Edbear

If only you knew...

If only I gave a flying fuck what you think...

**Edbear** · 30th August 2012, 18:22

Originally Posted by Madness

If only I gave a flying fuck what you think...

Strange you keep noting and quoting me so often... Makes people think we must be friends.

**Madness** · 30th August 2012, 18:25

Originally Posted by Edbear

Makes people think we must be friends.

How do you know what other people think? Have you researched it? Besides, I would just give you a red but you cry about them so much it's embarrasing.

I heard on the radio on the way home that if the gay marriage bill passes it will automatically make gay adoption legal under the current law.

**husaberg** · 30th August 2012, 18:43

Originally Posted by Madness

How do you know what other people think? Have you researched it? Besides, I would just give you a red but you cry about them so much it's embarrasing.

I heard on the radio on the way home that if the gay marriage bill passes it will automatically make gay adoption legal under the current law.

How do you go about adopting a Gay married couple?
i guess they would be ubber tidy.

**Madness** · 30th August 2012, 18:45

Originally Posted by husaberg

How do you go about adopting a Gay married couple?

I think it would be more about them wanting you, or not.

Good luck with that.

**Drew** · 30th August 2012, 21:59

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

I don't agree that 120 MP's have the right to decide this for a country it should go to a referendum.

It's the very point of governing system we have. They get to decide if a referendum happens, and they get to tehn vote on it if they reckon a referendum is not the fairest way to make the decision.

Don't like it? Move abroad.

You're welcome

**BoristheBiter** · 31st August 2012, 10:24

Originally Posted by Drew

It's the very point of governing system we have. They get to decide if a referendum happens, and they get to tehn vote on it if they reckon a referendum is not the fairest way to make the decision.

Don't like it? Move abroad.

You're welcome

Come up with some new stuff Drew your trolling is getting weak.

**ducatilover** · 31st August 2012, 16:05

Originally Posted by Drew

It's the very point of governing system we have. They get to decide if a referendum happens, and they get to tehn vote on it if they reckon a referendum is not the fairest way to make the decision.

Don't like it? Move abroad.

You're welcome

You telling me I 'ave no say?

**avgas** · 31st August 2012, 16:25

Originally Posted by oneofsix

If this Gay Marriage thing is all about equality and being allowed to adopt etc then how come the adoption has to be debated separately and adoption is actually in a totally different bill http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...-to-be-debated.

I call

on most of the pro-gay marriage crap in this thread. The marriage bill is only about the use of the word.

WOW! Nothing passes you.
eerrrrrrr what if the marriage bill fails.....unlike motorcyclist, the gays might have a back-up (no pun intended) plan.

Pity we didn't get any homo's to help us from paying more ACC

**BoristheBiter** · 31st August 2012, 18:59

Originally Posted by oneofsix

If this Gay Marriage thing is all about equality and being allowed to adopt etc then how come the adoption has to be debated separately and adoption is actually in a totally different bill http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...-to-be-debated.

I call

on most of the pro-gay marriage crap in this thread. The marriage bill is only about the use of the word.

Because this bill is about everyone not just gays.
At the moment a de-facto couple can adopt but not ones that have had a CU, or, a gay single person can adopt but not a gay couple.

Yes the marriage act will change that for those that are going to get married but this about everyone else.

**husaberg** · 31st August 2012, 19:36

Originally Posted by avgas

WOW! Nothing passes you.
eerrrrrrr what if the marriage bill fails.....unlike motorcyclist, the gays might have a back-up (no pun intended) plan.

Pity we didn't get any homo's to help us from paying more ACC

Justice minister now pro gay equality, marriage
In a remarkable change in her attitude to equality for glbt people, senior government figure and Minister of Justice Judith Collins has voiced her support for marriage equality, legal adoption by same sex couples and legal recognition of a person’s gender identity which may have changed since their birth.

Speaking briefly to GayNZ.com Daily News yesterday afternoon…Collins said of marriage equality: “I’ve got no problem with it.”

On enabling same-sex couples to legally adopt children she responded: “I’ve got no particular problem with that either.”

And regarding appropriate recognition of minority gender identities: “It doesn’t hurt for us to acknowledge people’s diversity… it actually helps us.”

Asked if she felt glbt people in New Zealand are generally getting, in the words of the Human Rights Commission conference theme, “a fair go for all,” Collins said: “There are some issues that need to be dealt with. Frankly it would be really nice if we could look at people as human beings rather than be always saying ‘you can’t do that because you’re gay’ or whatever.”http://yournz.org/2012/08/21/judith-...iage-equality/

Funny enough she is also the ACC minister.
So i guess she is now in favour of both from what i understand she voted against civil union, because it didn't go far enough?
ps she may look a bit butch but is "Married"

**oldrider** · 31st August 2012, 19:41

Originally Posted by avgas

WOW! Nothing passes you.
eerrrrrrr what if the marriage bill fails.....unlike motorcyclist, the gays might have a back-up (no pun intended) plan.

Pity we didn't get any homo's to help us from paying more ACC

Well the excessive ACC levy (tax) has sure makes me feel like I have been screwed by a bum!(AKA Nick Smith)

Got to admit it, the gays sure have learned how to punch above their weight, politically at least!

(Not convinced yet whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, time will tell!)