Manfeild slip road use

[yungatart]

The headflag marshall has promised to do a striptease act at riders briefing for round 5 so we can confirm no ink has been used,

Umm, that will probably be Richard or Nigel then, do these guys know that they are doing a striptease? And is it instead of, or additional to, Marshals' briefing?

[Biggles08]

Two hours is for flag marshals is around two hours longer than the training session for riders.

Boom! Ain't that just crazy!?! I still can't get over that to road race at the very top level in NZ (Nationals) you can rock up with a bike, pay your MNZ fees for a licence and say you are there to race...with no check ride or training at all! It all seemed a bit odd that this was the case when Phil Harrison and Derek Hill (RIP) had that accident at Pukekohe...Phil was 'just' out of racing clubmans with very limited track experience when he entered to race in that Nationals round. I was talking to him 1 week prior to that over a beer...

I realize this is very much on the radar of MNZ Billy and I believe it can't change soon enough.

[Skunk]

Ok , its now page 7 and there is no resolve.

Since when did ANYTHING get resolved on KB?

[Drew]

Since when did ANYTHING get resolved on KB?

So, why would anything I say upset you?

It's not gonna get sorted on here, no one on here will say any of this shit in person, except I will call you a cunt in person...Cunt. And Choppa will say the same shit no matter the forum.

[yungatart]

Since when did ANYTHING get resolved on KB?

I don't understand that, eh.
The place is full of keyboard warriors, bush lawyers and armchair experts so how come nothing gets sorted?
Quite bizarre

[Drew]

I don't understand that, eh.
The place is full of keyboard warriors, bush lawyers and armchair experts so how come nothing gets sorted?
Quite bizarre

We're all distracted thinking about you taking clothes off and showing us your sweet tats.

[yungatart]

We're all distracted thinking about you taking clothes off and showing us your sweet tats.

Did you miss this one Drew?

Umm, that will probably be Richard or Nigel then, do these guys know that they are doing a striptease? And is it instead of, or additional to, Marshals' briefing?

I won't be there....it will be some other tits (oops, I mean tats) that you'll be ogling

[Drew]

Did you miss this one Drew?



I won't be there....it will be some other tits (oops, I mean tats) that you'll be ogling

I'm all about the typey typey, not so much the reading!

[ellipsis]

...well...that was that...

[SWERVE]

Someone posted that the marshall course was a two hour group session.

That isn't a lot. I know that these people are giving up there time for free, but it's for something they enjoy lets not forget, motorsport.

So someone with no actual idea, but who has talked about racing for a couple hours is now allowed to flag a point on a track. Youngatart suggests putting that squid with a complete squid and all will be hunky dori.

Doesn't sound ideal.

Drew.
I agree with alot of your posts (sometimes have to read between the lines)............BUT
When you took you driving licence test(pressuming you have one - cos its not uncommon for NZ,ers of 20 years driving to not have) did they teach you everything you needed to know to see you through the rest of your driving life...........NO.
Same as Marshalls...... any training is better than none........ its the fundementals (clutch brake throttle) not the unforseen.
I have seen motorsport from just about every angle/volenteer position/racer/team manager/tech etc etc and with every "team" everybody does their job to the best of their ability most of the time............. but rely on everybody else getting it right too.
I agree with both sides of the arguement on many levels.
My proposed Junior team/development project includes all participants becoming flag marshalls as part of their contract. To be aware of how it works and how important it is .
In the modern era of compotas etc.............. they still teach semaphore in he Navy (communcation via flags) simplest methods have stood the test of time.
(Oh sorry...i thought you said launch (start) not abort (stop).............. she,ll be alright its only a small country we have just destroyed !!!!!!!!

[Drew]

Drew.
I agree with alot of your posts (sometimes have to read between the lines)............BUT
When you took you driving licence test(pressuming you have one - cos its not uncommon for NZ,ers of 20 years driving to not have) did they teach you everything you needed to know to see you through the rest of your driving life...........NO.
Same as Marshalls...... any training is better than none........ its the fundementals (clutch brake throttle) not the unforseen.
I have seen motorsport from just about every angle/volenteer position/racer/team manager/tech etc etc and with every "team" everybody does their job to the best of their ability most of the time............. but rely on everybody else getting it right too.
I agree with both sides of the arguement on many levels.
My proposed Junior team/development project includes all participants becoming flag marshalls as part of their contract. To be aware of how it works and how important it is .
In the modern era of compotas etc.............. they still teach semaphore in he Navy (communcation via flags) simplest methods have stood the test of time.
(Oh sorry...i thought you said launch (start) not abort (stop).............. she,ll be alright its only a small country we have just destroyed !!!!!!!!

Drivers lisence is a bad paralell to draw for me, I have MASSIVE issues on the piss poor standard we are allowed loose on the streets at.

That said, you're right about all the rest I guess. No one can be taught about all eventualities on the track. Christ knows what that Choppa cunt will do next!

But any squid that runs out on the track in front of a superbike feild tha thinks it's doing a warm up lap would deserve to get run the fuck over, if it wouldn't kill the rider too.

What ever comes over the radio, they should have some bloody semblance of self preservation, especially if the radio chatter is as busy and unclear as Skunk has led us to believe.

[yungatart]

Just to clarify, Drew, marshals at the hairpin stand at the side of the track, not on the track.
All marshals are told at briefing that no matter the call from upstairs, if they don't feel it is safe to go on track, not to do it.

[SWERVE]

Boom! Ain't that just crazy!?! I still can't get over that to road race at the very top level in NZ (Nationals) you can rock up with a bike, pay your MNZ fees for a licence and say you are there to race...with no check ride or training at all! It all seemed a bit odd that this was the case when Phil Harrison and Derek Hill (RIP) had that accident at Pukekohe...Phil was 'just' out of racing clubmans with very limited track experience when he entered to race in that Nationals round. I was talking to him 1 week prior to that over a beer...

I realize this is very much on the radar of MNZ Billy and I believe it can't change soon enough.

Sooooooooo true mate.
Thats why other countries have tier systems for newbies............ grades /etc.......... or as the old days in UK ... Novice vests (dayglo derek vests) for newbies in any class for a certain amount of meetings. (this is also beneficial in other ways as if a vest wearer is constantly up at the pointy end ..he/she is easy to spot as a potential talant)
Its not easy to have a tier system when the participant numbers are low and everybody need to be in same race to make numbers.
However the novice vest system could be applied to make everyone aware of the situation.
If the new superstars dont want to wear an orange vest...................... in a diplomatic term...F**K OFF

Its oK to say she,ll be alright....... he/she is an experienced rider..they know what they are doing...... but if we have many more fatalities...the powers above will drop like a ton of bricks......... we eed to be proactive and prevent further incidents as much as WE can.

[Drew]

Just to clarify, Drew, marshals at the hairpin stand at the side of the track, not on the track.
All marshals are told at briefing that no matter the call from upstairs, if they don't feel it is safe to go on track, not to do it.

I've only ever seen them in the middle of the track, but it's been a year since I did a vic club meeting.

Jay did say that he came hurtling round to find a marshal standing on the track too though.

Told not to do it if it isn't safe, yet there he was. My noob comments are starting to ring more true than my antagonistic intentions realised.

[Skunk]

I've only ever seen them in the middle of the track, but it's been a year since I did a vic club meeting.

Jay did say that he came hurtling round to find a marshal standing on the track too though.

Told not to do it if it isn't safe, yet there he was. My noob comments are starting to ring more true than my antagonistic intentions realised.

I didn't think they were on the track but I can find out who it was and ask. Not really going to change what happened. And things have been put in place already to prevent any part of it happening again. As long as everybody listens. <-- and right there is the biggest single cause of things going wrong.

We're humans and therefore make mistakes. And we all have 20/20 hindsight.