Sure, It's off topic but which Jap car brand is the crappest?

**Swoop** · 13th August 2012, 13:24

Originally Posted by Pussy

I reckon Jap imports are great. Got a lot of the old pommy shitters off our roads.

Also saved road and carpark surfaces from being coated in a film of oil...

**neels** · 13th August 2012, 15:02

Can only really comment on jap cars from experience at work, we buy brand new and service at the specified intervals, the mitsi's have been the worst with bits falling off and drinking oil at less than 100k.
Toyota's are reliable enough, but their performance and handling matches their target market of housewives and retired accountants.
By far the best have been the Nissans, great to drive, and no stupid cambelts to change.

Apart from a terrano with 200 trouble free k's on it the rest of the cars at home are euros, no reliability issues with any of them, if they stay as cheap as they are because the sheep are scared of them I'll keep buying them.

**MIXONE** · 13th August 2012, 15:50

Originally Posted by neels

Can only really comment on jap cars from experience at work, we buy brand new and service at the specified intervals, the mitsi's have been the worst with bits falling off and drinking oil at less than 100k.
Toyota's are reliable enough, but their performance and handling matches their target market of housewives and retired accountants.
By far the best have been the Nissans, great to drive, and no stupid cambelts to change.

Apart from a terrano with 200 trouble free k's on it the rest of the cars at home are euros, no reliability issues with any of them, if they stay as cheap as they are because the sheep are scared of them I'll keep buying them.

+1.Owned lots of Euros and Nissans.Currently 1 turbo volvo and 2 turbo nissans (one for sale).

**MisterD** · 13th August 2012, 16:08

Good to see seven pages and no mention of Scoobys...I wouldn't drive any other Japper.

**ducatilover** · 13th August 2012, 16:21

Originally Posted by MisterD

Good to see seven pages and no mention of Scoobys...I wouldn't drive any other Japper.

The thread would be too long if we started on them

**scumdog** · 13th August 2012, 16:59

Originally Posted by MisterD

Good to see seven pages and no mention of Scoobys...I wouldn't drive any other Japper.

Conversely it would be the last brand I'd buy/drive.

**spanner spinner** · 1st September 2012, 22:31

Test drive a RA WRX and then tell me you don't want one, closest thing to a bike with a roof that i have ever owned. Would keep up with my mates ZX6 up to about 170 kph. But drink gas would empty the 45 liter tank in 150 ks if pushed hard, and realy needs 98 will only just run on 95 at lower power. And you don't buy one to nanny about in. But back to the relability, just start saving for the gearbox rebuild thats due about 100000km cause there not cheap to fix! Engine never missed a beat in 150000km just leave the bost where the factory set it. 15psi and 205kw is more than enough in a cage.

**ducatilover** · 2nd September 2012, 00:53

Originally Posted by spanner spinner

Test drive a RA WRX and then tell me you don't want one, closest thing to a bike with a roof that i have ever owned. Would keep up with my mates ZX6 up to about 170 kph. But drink gas would empty the 45 liter tank in 150 ks if pushed hard, and realy needs 98 will only just run on 95 at lower power. And you don't buy one to nanny about in. But back to the relability, just start saving for the gearbox rebuild thats due about 100000km cause there not cheap to fix! Engine never missed a beat in 150000km just leave the bost where the factory set it. 15psi and 205kw is more than enough in a cage.

Driven lots, don't want one.
Your mate needs a new ZX6...

**scumdog** · 4th September 2012, 17:41

Originally Posted by spanner spinner

Test drive a RA WRX and then tell me you don't want one, closest thing to a bike with a roof that i have ever owned. Would keep up with my mates ZX6 up to about 170 kph. But drink gas would empty the 45 liter tank in 150 ks if pushed hard, and realy needs 98 will only just run on 95 at lower power. And you don't buy one to nanny about in. But back to the relability, just start saving for the gearbox rebuild thats due about 100000km cause there not cheap to fix! Engine never missed a beat in 150000km just leave the bost where the factory set it. 15psi and 205kw is more than enough in a cage.

But...but but they sound like an Anglias with one plug-lead off.

**huff3r** · 4th September 2012, 18:04

Originally Posted by scumdog

But...but but they sound like an Anglias with one plug-lead off.

Letts be honest now, they don;t sound that much more out of balance than a Harley

**scumdog** · 4th September 2012, 20:19

Originally Posted by huff3r

Letts be honest now, they don;t sound that much more out of balance than a Harley

I suppose you have a point - it's just I hear a lot more stuttery boisy Subarus around the streets.

**SMOKEU** · 4th September 2012, 20:42

You certainly don't want an old, high mileage turbo Subaru. A mate of mine has an early 1990's RS Legacy, and he drives that thing gently and looks after it very well. In the 15,000 or so kms that he's had it, he's had to replace both turbos, clutch, gearbox, fuel pump, rear diff, horn wiring, sunroof motor, engine gaskets (not head gaskets), new ECU and numerous other electrical issues etc. Those are only some of the issues it's had since I can't remember every problem he's had with it. He's paid far more than the value of the car just in repairs. Lucky for him he's got a cheap mechanic who's also quite honest and knowledgeable. It's been run at stock boost the whole time he's had it, too.

I used to have Nissan GTIR which was almost as bad. The previous owner gave me receipts of a recent $9k of maintenance work (not performance mods) and that fucking thing still cost a king's ransom to keep on the roads. All that money for something that wouldn't be any quicker than a decent 4 cylinder early 1990's 400cc bike like a CBR400RR or VFR400.

**Edbear** · 4th September 2012, 21:21

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

You certainly don't want an old, high mileage turbo Subaru. A mate of mine has an early 1990's RS Legacy, and he drives that thing gently and looks after it very well. In the 15,000 or so kms that he's had it, he's had to replace both turbos, clutch, gearbox, fuel pump, rear diff, horn wiring, sunroof motor, engine gaskets (not head gaskets), new ECU and numerous other electrical issues etc. Those are only some of the issues it's had since I can't remember every problem he's had with it. He's paid far more than the value of the car just in repairs. Lucky for him he's got a cheap mechanic who's also quite honest and knowledgeable. It's been run at stock boost the whole time he's had it, too.

I used to have Nissan GTIR which was almost as bad. The previous owner gave me receipts of a recent $9k of maintenance work (not performance mods) and that fucking thing still cost a king's ransom to keep on the roads. All that money for something that wouldn't be any quicker than a decent 4 cylinder early 1990's 400cc bike like a CBR400RR or VFR400.

Speaking of Subaru's I was thinking a new WRX sedan would be a real pformance bargain. 195kw and 340nm, five speed manual. A real sleeper with the smaller rear wing, understated compared to the STi and practically as quick on the road, better comfort too. Well specced. Try to find anything else with that level of performance at that price and you are hard pressed to think of another car close.

**steve_t** · 4th September 2012, 21:44

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

You certainly don't want an old, high mileage turbo Subaru. A mate of mine has an early 1990's RS Legacy, and he drives that thing gently and looks after it very well. In the 15,000 or so kms that he's had it, he's had to replace both turbos, clutch, gearbox, fuel pump, rear diff, horn wiring, sunroof motor, engine gaskets (not head gaskets), new ECU and numerous other electrical issues etc. Those are only some of the issues it's had since I can't remember every problem he's had with it. He's paid far more than the value of the car just in repairs. Lucky for him he's got a cheap mechanic who's also quite honest and knowledgeable. It's been run at stock boost the whole time he's had it, too.

I used to have Nissan GTIR which was almost as bad. The previous owner gave me receipts of a recent $9k of maintenance work (not performance mods) and that fucking thing still cost a king's ransom to keep on the roads. All that money for something that wouldn't be any quicker than a decent 4 cylinder early 1990's 400cc bike like a CBR400RR or VFR400.

My '96 RSB has just ticked over 242,000km and has been pretty much trouble-free. Both turbos are original and I run increased boost. I don't thrash it but I don't drive like a nana either. Original gearbox and second clutch IIRC. No electrical issues ever. I do service regularly though. The only real issue is the 100,000 stone chips on the front of the bonnet.

**ducatilover** · 4th September 2012, 21:45

Originally Posted by Edbear

Speaking of Subaru's I was thinking a new WRX sedan would be a real pformance bargain. 195kw and 340nm, five speed manual. A real sleeper with the smaller rear wing, understated compared to the STi and practically as quick on the road, better comfort too. Well specced. Try to find anything else with that level of performance at that price and you are hard pressed to think of another car close.

An earlier one

They're not that quick, but they get up hills okay and handle very well on good rubber
Bit boring IMO.