Commodity ownership?

[Maha]

Its my view that, to legally own something, first you have to pay (or have paid) for it.
Can I suggest that the NZ Government decide what water is worth and then offer it to all Iwi for that price.
Maori did not have ownership of water in 1840/1953 or even 2007...they seem to have stated ownership in the last three months, but thats laughable at best.
Its a commodity that belongs to (not owned by) all that live here.

[MisterD]

I don't neccessarily agree that you have to pay for something to own it, but asserting ownership of water is stupid.

If you leave water alone, it will evaporate or run away and all that can be asserted is that you can have the right to use it before it does disappear, or the right to charge someone money to provide the service of moving it to somewhere they can use it instead.

It gets even more stupid with "wind", I'll pay any Maori $100 for the first container full of "wind" (not air, wind) they can bring me...and no, Hone Harawira doesn't count

[MSTRS:Me]

Water is owned by all. Or none.
If Maori can stop the (power generating) asset sales with their water rights claims, then good. Unfortunately, it isn't that simple and won't end there.
That fucking Hobson has a lot to answer for...

[bogan]

Bring in Death Duties, apply retroactively to any new treaty claims. Yes sir, you now own the water, however after all the death duties it may not be as much as you think, did you bring a bucket?

[oneofsix]

Water is owned by all. Or none.
If Maori can stop the (power generating) asset sales with their water rights claims, then good. Unfortunately, it isn't that simple and won't end there.
That fucking Hobson has a lot to answer for...

Hobson's choice.

If the government hadn't put it up for sale the Maori wouldn't have claimed it.

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

I want it settled and soon, Ive got too much water on my land, some of it is like a bog.
If Maori win I'll get them to come and pick the excess up
If mighty power win I'll sell the excess to them

[The End]

"So Maori have always owned water?
Does this mean those that have lost houses etc due to floods can now sue for damages since they (Maori) did not control their rivers?
If someone drowned should Maori be held accountable as they did not have lifeguards along the river. Local swimming pools need lifeguards."

Not my post, but found it funny nonetheless.

[avgas]

Its very clear my wife owns the water. She has bought bottles of the stuff for years. Clearly this was wise investing on her behalf so I am just wondering when we get paid the dividends?

[Stirts]

It gets even more stupid with "wind", I'll pay any Maori $100 for the first container full of "wind" (not air, wind) they can bring me...and no, Hone Harawira doesn't count

And would you get paid for any farts that you generate?

[Drew]

Water is owned by all. Or none.
If Maori can stop the (power generating) asset sales with their water rights claims, then good. Unfortunately, it isn't that simple and won't end there.
That fucking Hobson has a lot to answer for...

Interesting point of view. Do we own something, that we had to borrow to pay for? Not any more than someone owns the fuckin water in my opinion. All we'd be doing is dropping a debt!

Hobson's choice.

If the government hadn't put it up for sale the Maori wouldn't have claimed it.

They are not selling water, they are selling the power generation units sitting in the water.

The maori no more have rights to the waters use, or it's flow than fly to the moon backwards! All they are doing is segragating this country further than it already is. Us and them, it's fuckin bulshit, and when one of the cunts in the maori party realise it we'll all be better off.

[Maha]

Interesting point of view. Do we own something, that we had to borrow to pay for? Not any more than someone owns the fuckin water in my opinion. All we'd be doing is dropping a debt!

They are not selling water, they are selling the power generation units sitting in the water.

The maori no more have rights to the waters use, or it's flow than fly to the moon backwards! All they are doing is segragating this country further than it already is. Us and them, it's fuckin bulshit, and when one of the cunts in the maori party realise it we'll all be better off.

Fuck don't mention the moon, or the stars for that matter, they were used to guide the waka...they were using the GPS way before it was invented.

[awa355]

The planet is estimated to be around 4 billion years old. Soil, Water, wind, Gases etc have been a basic element in the creation of earth as it is today, for most of that 4 billion years.

The Maori have been here for around 800 years. Go figure

[bungbung]

But the human body is 70% water (unless you're a fatty)

[Winston001]

C'mon guys, we've been over this before. Maori are not asserting they "own" any water.

What they are saying is they have "rights" to certain rivers and bodies of water, rights which stem from use of those places over hundreds of years. Rights which they claim are protected under the Treaty of Waitangi.

You and I do not have to agree with that. The Waitangi Tribunal does not have to agree. But we live in an open democracy and Maori are entitled to ask the question.

As for water "rights" - that is also a pakeha concept. There are water rights held by farmers, councils, businesses and individuals all over NZ. We can hardly complain that Maori want to join the party.

[aprilia_RS250]

C'mon guys, we've been over this before. Maori are not asserting they "own" any water.

You are wrong

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10833926

They're just greedy fuckwits like the rest of us. I think issue would resolve it's self very quickly if most New Zealanders suddenly pronounced themselves as "Maori".