Commodity ownership?

**huff3r** · 14th September 2012, 17:30

Originally Posted by Maha

Fuck don't mention the moon, or the stars for that matter, they were used to guide the waka...they were using the GPS way before it was invented.

Wait... Maori own GPS now too?

**Road kill** · 14th September 2012, 17:45

Originally Posted by The End

"So Maori have always owned water?
Does this mean those that have lost houses etc due to floods can now sue for damages since they (Maori) did not control their rivers?
If someone drowned should Maori be held accountable as they did not have lifeguards along the river. Local swimming pools need lifeguards."

Not my post, but found it funny nonetheless.

Get real mate,,ACC looks after that shit really well already.

**FJRider** · 14th September 2012, 18:18

As I understood .... customary rights were for "the gathering of" (fish/sea-food etc.) or in this case ... "the use of" the rivers .... rivers/lakes being the easiest way to travel. (until the white fellas built roads)

The Water rights that goverment issue with the partial share of the SOE's ... are only the right to use (for specified length of time and then have to be renewed) the resource ... not ownership.

**short-circuit** · 14th September 2012, 18:18

Originally Posted by Maha

Its my view that, to legally own something, first you have to pay (or have paid) for it.
Can I suggest that the NZ Government decide what water is worth and then offer it to all Iwi for that price.
Maori did not have ownership of water in 1840/1953 or even 2007...they seem to have stated ownership in the last three months, but thats laughable at best.
Its a commodity that belongs to (not owned by) all that live here.

Yes but is hasn't always been a commodity to be "sold" or "owned". It was once a resource that was shared.

To some, commodifying it is an outrage - a ridiculous scam.

**phill-k** · 14th September 2012, 18:35

Very shortly if Key has his way the Chinese will profit from our water for free

**Road kill** · 14th September 2012, 18:36

Seems great leader has said,,"Get fucked" anyway.

Which I find kind of amusing.

Some times "get fucked" is not such a bad thing.

I have a book written by Samual Marsden.

It's called brave heart in Maori land,and in it there's an interesting statement.

"Give a Maori chief a nail,the next day he will be back for your hammer".

Just because I don't like Murray jokes and bite like a snapper at a pillie.

It doesn't mean I don't understand,,,"Get Fucked"

**FJRider** · 14th September 2012, 18:36

Originally Posted by The End

"So Maori have always owned water?
Does this mean those that have lost houses etc due to floods can now sue for damages since they (Maori) did not control their rivers?
If someone drowned should Maori be held accountable as they did not have lifeguards along the river. Local swimming pools need lifeguards."

Not my post, but found it funny nonetheless.

As I recall ... those Maori held the Goverment accountable for the damage those floods did ... as the Goverment owned the power stations ..... that controlled the water. And were happy to accept payment by the goverment for the damage done by the water.

How could that be if Maori owned the water in the first place ... ???

**caseye** · 14th September 2012, 18:38

It would seem the NZ's Maori King wants a fight.
I hope he's prepared for what comes next.
Key has already signaled that govt are going to ignore their claim.This time don't back down JK.

**mashman** · 14th September 2012, 18:38

Ooowaaa waaaaa waaaa the brown people are wanting a share of the proceeds, ooowaaaa ooowaaaaaa... and the white folk want to buy shares of the SOE's so that they too can share in the proceeds, ooowaaaa ooowaaaa brown you people who are allowed to get what the white people have to wait and then pay for

**FJRider** · 14th September 2012, 18:40

Originally Posted by caseye

It would seem the NZ's Maori King wants a fight.
I hope he's prepared for what comes next.
Key has already signaled that govt are going to ignore their claim.This time don't back down JK.

But who get's the bill for the Hui ... ???

**caseye** · 14th September 2012, 18:48

Um, let me see, I know this one. Oh yes, the Maori owners of the lake and river beds.
S'theres innit?

**Maha** · 14th September 2012, 18:53

Originally Posted by caseye

Um, let me see, I know this one. Oh yes, the Maori owners of the lake and river beds.
S'theres innit?

The have rights to the Green Lake in Rotorua (massive trout I understand)...its Tapu to honky....

**FJRider** · 14th September 2012, 19:03

Originally Posted by Maha

The have rights to the Green Lake in Rotorua (massive trout I understand)...its Tapu to honky....

Is it ... ??? I fished there a few times ...

**Maha** · 14th September 2012, 19:08

Originally Posted by FJRider

Is it ... ??? I fished there a few times ...

A mate of mine years ago won the weekly biggest fish prize...he told the local rag he caught it at Tarawera...thruth was, he fished from his car sunroof under the cover of darkness at the green lake...