Key 'out of touch' over hungry kids

[short-circuit]

She was mis understood

The government is beholdent to the banks and to the IMF , which is america ,,, when u realise this it will all make sence

and no , they do give a rats arse about u ...because u dont make ,,,Money

Stephen

I'm talking about the sheeple not TPTB

[Brian d marge]

I'm talking about the sheeple not TPTB

sheepies , just make noises and follow popular opinion ,,, they are good for somethings feeding cannons for example

these guy run the show



skip to 8.05 , Yes the fed , banks do just print money out of thin air

Stephen

[mashman]

Can't they see how fuckin retarded the logic is? Or do they just not give a fuck coz they like the sentiment?

... they are here to be led. Fortunately someone is looking after their interests by fuckin with someone else's. Humanity v's profit. No contest.

[mashman]

skip to 8.05 , Yes the fed , banks do just print money out of thin air

Stephen

I threw up in my mouth a few times... the bullshit was just astounding. We can print money, but we can't stop poverty . Baaaaaaaaaaa. I loved his analogy about the guy in bed. We'd first put out the fire, the decide what punishment was appropriate, then change the fire code ... punished for an accident? and people wonder where austerity comes from? Punishment for borrowing money that the Fed print to lend to the banks in order to lend to us so that we get into debt. GENIUS!!!! All the time playing on the fear of those who believe that they have something to lose. Wonder if JK will put his nomination forwards for the WB, IMF or maybe the Fed?

[Brian d marge]

I threw up in my mouth a few times... the bullshit was just astounding. We can't print money, but we can't stop poverty . Baaaaaaaaaaa. I loved his analogy about the guy in bed. We'd first put out the fire, the decide what punishment was appropriate, then change the fire code ... punished for an accident? and people wonder where austerity comes from? Punishment for borrowing money that the Fed print to lend to the banks in order to lend to us so that we get into debt. GENIUS!!!! All the time playing on the fear of those who believe that they have something to lose. Wonder if JK will put his nomination forwards for the WB, IMF or maybe the Fed?

yup thats what I thought to

Stephen

or change the houses one simple change , remove speculation on houses , and bobs ur uncle ,,,

[mashman]

yup thats what I thought to

Stephen

or change the houses one simple change , remove speculation on houses , and bobs ur uncle ,,,

remove property speculation and leave it to those who can afford it ya mean? Nahhhh. If I'm gonna pay rent I may as well pay it towards my mortgage in the hope that some day I'll "own" my own home and not have to pay rent anymore. If you wanna make a change, get rid of the financial system that Berwanke seems so hell bent on protecting at the cost of the taxpayer. Then we'll see real progress. Otherwise some other bubble will go pop when we need to reshuffle the deck again. The only/main reason Fannie and Freddie were exposed, hmmm, is because "someone" turned off the money tap in order to lower interest rates. Same with the stock market all them years ago, oil before that etc... once the money flow is interrupted those who have "over stretched" will be the first on the block and will instantly take the blame for policy that is implemented by the money machine. I ain't no economist, but I see no other way to make the economy tank the way it did... and has done every 10 - 15 years. Think about it, $1 billion capitalisation = $9 billion in the real world. Cut that to $500 mill and what do you think the result will be? Less money to lend out, less money for big business to borrow, less money to pay wages, less money against the ever increasing cost of everything. It seems pretty straight forwards to me. Ditch the financial system and we won't need to suffer recessions etc... hell, we may well start using our resources sensibly instead of using them to pay off the loans that the central banks kindly magiced up for us. They use financial policy to control the flow of money and then blame others for spending it ... GENIUS!!!!

Anything other than binning the financial system is just fuckin around the edges.

[Brian d marge]

remove property speculation and leave it to those who can afford it ya mean? Nahhhh. If I'm gonna pay rent I may as well pay it towards my mortgage in the hope that some day I'll "own" my own home and not have to pay rent anymore. If you wanna make a change, get rid of the financial system that Berwanke seems so hell bent on protecting at the cost of the taxpayer. Then we'll see real progress. Otherwise some other bubble will go pop when we need to reshuffle the deck again. The only/main reason Fannie and Freddie were exposed, hmmm, is because "someone" turned off the money tap in order to lower interest rates. Same with the stock market all them years ago, oil before that etc... once the money flow is interrupted those who have "over stretched" will be the first on the block and will instantly take the blame for policy that is implemented by the money machine. I ain't no economist, but I see no other way to make the economy tank the way it did... and has done every 10 - 15 years. Think about it, $1 billion capitalisation = $9 billion in the real world. Cut that to $500 mill and what do you think the result will be? Less money to lend out, less money for big business to borrow, less money to pay wages, less money against the ever increasing cost of everything. It seems pretty straight forwards to me. Ditch the financial system and we won't need to suffer recessions etc... hell, we may well start using our resources sensibly instead of using them to pay off the loans that the central banks kindly magiced up for us. They use financial policy to control the flow of money and then blame others for spending it ... GENIUS!!!!

Anything other than binning the financial system is just fuckin around the edges.

No as in remove speculation entirely from property and land everything else good to go , and Jail bankers if they step out of line, ( actually I would reinstate the rules prior to 1968 ish )

Simple step , but wont happen , or it could if the government reintroduced , mixed state houses capped at a set value ( resale ) , and I mean mixed , as in ponsonby

Stephen

[st00ji]

its all just a result of human nature though isint it. thats like saying, if we all stop behaving like humans, the world will be sweet.

aint gonna happen.

best not to think about it too hard and try enjoy your miserable existence as best you can (i actually think akzle has approximately the right idea, strangely)

as for feeding the kids - there is no better place to improve society than with the young IMHO. their drop out parents are mostly beyond redemption already, but perhaps the next generation can be improved upon. like someone else said, cant choose your parents.

i actually think teachers should be paid double or triple what they currently get, with results expected. this would attract performers to the field, and hence create actual improvements in the education system.

[mashman]

No as in remove speculation entirely from property and land everything else good to go , and Jail bankers if they step out of line, ( actually I would reinstate the rules prior to 1968 ish )

Simple step , but wont happen , or it could if the government reintroduced , mixed state houses capped at a set value ( resale ) , and I mean mixed , as in ponsonby

Stephen

Ahhhh, I'm with ya now. Landlords would be up in arms... the banks'd likely be a tad pissed too as they'd have to write off mortgage debt. Given the array of shit that goes on these days I can't see turning the clock back to pre fiat money time making enough of a difference that it'd change how we live. Not saying that it wouldn't make things "better" if that could happen, but it'd only be a matter of time before we ended up right back where we are imho.

[mashman]

its all just a result of human nature though isint it.

What is? Our reaction to the situations we find ourselves in whether they are of our making or not?

best not to think about it too hard and try enjoy your miserable existence as best you can (i actually think akzle has approximately the right idea, strangely)

as for feeding the kids - there is no better place to improve society than with the young IMHO. their drop out parents are mostly beyond redemption already, but perhaps the next generation can be improved upon. like someone else said, cant choose your parents.

i actually think teachers should be paid double or triple what they currently get, with results expected. this would attract performers to the field, and hence create actual improvements in the education system.

@ miserable existence... these soughts of things used to be water off a ducks back, someone else's problem. Turns out that I found a conscience and in return don't have the capacity that I used to have for sweeping social issues under the carpet and not thinking about other people, let alone ignoring that kids bear the brunt... disadvantaged by a system that rewards individuals according to some fucked up logic. If that makes me miserable, so be it.

Agreed with the rest.

[mashman]

Its funny mashy, usually you and I and Akzle are at ends as to who is right here. But I think when it comes to kids we hit a middle ground.
I do think we should help kids out. For one simple reason.
You can pick your nose but you can't pick your parents.

Food at schools is a good thing. Much better than money for smokes/piss/car loans.....etc.
Food at schools shows kids that their parents might be a bunch of fuckwits.

Now to prove I am still a non-loving arsehole...
"Ban the benefit! Feed the kids!"

heh... we'd probably hit a middle ground over most subjects given enough time to discuss them iykwim. I reckon JimO came up with a very workable solution, removing $20 from a parents benefit to get the kids fed at school.

[Brian d marge]

Ahhhh, I'm with ya now. Landlords would be up in arms... the banks'd likely be a tad pissed too as they'd have to write off mortgage debt. Given the array of shit that goes on these days I can't see turning the clock back to pre fiat money time making enough of a difference that it'd change how we live. Not saying that it wouldn't make things "better" if that could happen, but it'd only be a matter of time before we ended up right back where we are imho.

of course it wont happen , to many people think they arre living the dream ...and the banks , well they arent going to give up this little earner ...as far as the boys are concerned its all good, people under controll , money coming in sweeet........ dont you go rockin any boats or we will have to run a media campain to prove ur nuts

Stephen

[mashman]

of course it wont happen , to many people think they arre living the dream ...and the banks , well they arent going to give up this little earner ...as far as the boys are concerned its all good, people under controll , money coming in sweeet........ dont you go rockin any boats or we will have to run a media campain to prove ur nuts

Stephen

I can only hope that when the day comes, gawd I hope it's a when as the alternative doesn't bear thinking about (not that many would notice as ya say), when that day comes I'm alive to see it. It's all a conspiracy tis all part of the great train wreck that we know as existing, more commonly referred to as living. You gotta love that truism though eh... discredit the person and the world will disregard their ideas... after all, it's human nature . What gives me hope, I know, why would anyone need to hope as this is the best it can get, is that there are lots and lots and lots of small groups out there that are looking into how they can make things "better". The downside being that the majority of these groups will never get their ideas implemented because they can't make it economically viable. I hope that someday they'll get together and realise that they're fighting the same "battle" and that they become a powerful voice. Til then I hope the bankers keep on truckin, the pollies keep on lying and those who hold the power keep on turning the screw. Throw in a natural disaster or two and who knows. The silent majority, nut bars that they are, will vote for something entirely different. I have a dream . Yes I am quite possibly certifiable, but rather that than the alternative that I once was.

[slowpoke]

Gotta love all the dear heart George Dubya types who lash out first and try to think of a plan later.

I take it all those advocating reducing the benefit are also advocating a flat tax rate across the board? Or better still, going by the theory that reducing someone's finances increases their motivation we should tax the poor more than the rich. I mean, there's nothing stopping someone earning millions of dollars/year is there? Other people have done it so why should the rich subsidise the slackers who can't be arsed getting off their crappy $50k/yr salaries and earning some real coin?

Yup, lets jack up the tax rate for those on less than $50k, if that doesn't motivate them nothing will......lazy fuckers should think of their children before sitting around feeling happy as pigs in poo, how are they gonna put them through uni on that sort of bullshit money? Maybe we should start paying them in education vouchers to make sure the lazy bastards actually look after their kids instead of blowing it on golf club memberships and motorbikes.

Then there's superannuation......the fuckers will have their hands out 'til the day they bloody day, leaching the lifeblood out of thecountry, expecting those who're smart enough to actually put food on the table and a 'Benz in the garage to fork out again and a bloody again. Fuck'n losers, they shouldn't receive a cent until the earn more than $70k/yr, the rest they can have in food/education vouchers and super contributions. The mongrel's breed like rabbits too, so give 'em 10 years in the workforce and if they can't bring in $100k, sterilise 'em, no point having kids if they are already a drain on society.

Yep, I like your thinking people and admire your consistency. You are gonna be consistent aren't you.........?

[Brian d marge]

I can only hope that when the day comes, gawd I hope it's a when as the alternative doesn't bear thinking about (not that many would notice as ya say), when that day comes I'm alive to see it. It's all a conspiracy tis all part of the great train wreck that we know as existing, more commonly referred to as living. You gotta love that truism though eh... discredit the person and the world will disregard their ideas... after all, it's human nature . What gives me hope, I know, why would anyone need to hope as this is the best it can get, is that there are lots and lots and lots of small groups out there that are looking into how they can make things "better". The downside being that the majority of these groups will never get their ideas implemented because they can't make it economically viable. I hope that someday they'll get together and realise that they're fighting the same "battle" and that they become a powerful voice. Til then I hope the bankers keep on truckin, the pollies keep on lying and those who hold the power keep on turning the screw. Throw in a natural disaster or two and who knows. The silent majority, nut bars that they are, will vote for something entirely different. I have a dream . Yes I am quite possibly certifiable, but rather that than the alternative that I once was.

not many people know its the banks , just ask the average person where money comes from? 60 trillion dollars all looking for work , independent of government regulation ...scary ....the average whale has a shit show of a chance ......let alone the bee ....miles and miles of infertile corn fields yeeeehaaaa