Sidecar Racing

[scrivy]

Holy shit, I thought you were taking the piss about the GoPro

No, Gordy was taking the piss being filmed by the GoPro.......

Here

You just had to look.............

[sidecar bob]

Purple. Round. Kittens.

Oh fuckin dear!!, Hi im Julie & I like kittens.

[nodrog:Me]

why is everybody so mean to me?

[scrivy]

Ok technical question time Scrivy (not that you know shit) Kai has problems on lefts with it understeering as the chair lifts, how does he fix it?

rights seem ok because the rear will slide under throttle, but the lefts the chair comes up and then it pushes the front rather than slide the rear even under throttle.
could just be the driver (or the swinger )

Are you mainlanders thick or sumpin???
Simple Euclidean geometry relating to Pythagoras’ theorem is involved. Got that?

Seriously, what is your front tyre like?? (I’m assuming shagged…) Your bike may be prone to understeer - so put your best tyre on the front to try to reduce it.
What is your front shock like?? (I’m assuming shagged…) When you turn in too hard, you may be ‘shocking’ the front tyre and cause it to slide, again causing understeer.

Remember that when you accelerate, you shift weight rearward and reduce front tyre grip. If your throttle application from the apex point of the corner is too vicious, your chair may also understeer. Because the weight of the chair is transferred to the rear too quickly, leaving the front with little grip. So if you can, try and get the chair turned before you use the twisty switch.
The problem with understeer is that to get rid of it you have to reduce your speed to less than the optimum for the particular corner. This will always cost you time. (and you don’t want that…) So Kai my man, at the first sign of a little understeer - do not keep increasing your steering! This does nothing! The tyres are already at 100% of their grip, and increasing the steering angle will only make your problems worse!

I would suggest getting your passenger to try some radical changes. Is he hanging too far off the side? Is he simply too heavy? (Was it Kick at the time?? Cause he's fucken useless...) Remember, he could be in the wrong place at the wrong time and is simply unloading the front. You need to do some drastic changes and notice their effects.

I on the other hand really enjoy the effects of understeer!! Having to crack off the throttle mid corner brings the rear around really fast, then it sets up the suspension to wallow, I love it!!

But, as Kick says, I don’t know shit……..

Scrivy

[scrivy]

why is everybody so mean to me?

WTF??? We're nicer to you than we are to Kick!!!

Imagine how Kick feels........

[nodrog:Me]

.....Imagine how Kick feels........

hungry?


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[Drew]

hungry?


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Don't make him hungry. You wouldn't like him when he's hungry!

[nodrog:Me]

Don't make him hungry. You wouldn't like him when he's hungry!

[Fast Eddie]

Seriously, what is your front tyre like?? (I’m assuming shagged…) Your bike may be prone to understeer - so put your best tyre on the front to try to reduce it.

umm.. it's still round and black. the tread depth holes show some meat left. much more than the rear. as for age condition i dunno.

What is your front shock like?? (I’m assuming shagged…) When you turn in too hard, you may be ‘shocking’ the front tyre and cause it to slide, again causing understeer.

no idea.. i doubt they have ever been rebuilt. there is basically no suspension travel front n rear. like a solid gokart

Remember that when you accelerate, you shift weight rearward and reduce front tyre grip. If your throttle application from the apex point of the corner is too vicious....

hehe, yip... can already feel all that happening on the few outings i have had. if it undsteers i don't keep turning harder i play around and i do manage to get the back around. havent understeered off the track yet (lie i have a couple times, swingers fault tho for sure). i can manage to get it to turn. i'd just rather have it prone to oversteer rather than understeer. it still handles nice i recon. might lower the front? it just feels like front needs more weight on it. maybe swinger too far back all the time.

I would suggest getting your passenger to try some radical changes. Is he hanging too far off the side? Is he simply too heavy? (Was it Kick at the time?? Cause he's fucken useless...) Remember, he could be in the wrong place at the wrong time

Scrivy

i got no idea what my swinger is up to back there.. there is a bit of video footage on youtube so someone that knows could watch and evaluate him..

when kick was on the chair it didn't understeer actually.. but we only did 2 x 1.58ish warm up laps.. so didnt get to see what it handled like at 1.55 with him on it.

anyway.. still learning eh, we wont get another run until hampton downs so see how it handles there.

dunno what sprockets to use on hd. we have rear 44 teeth and front 15teeth on at the moment.. got some gear ratio/top speed formula here but i hate math.

[scrivy]

Don't make him hungry. You wouldn't like him when he's hungry!

We dont like him full stop......... Lol.

Nah, when he gets to Hampster ups, he's gunna get accosted by the NZSRA, thrown to the ground and kissed all over.
I heard he can't wait!!

[scrivy]

umm.. it's still round. the tread depth holes show some meat left. You running luncheon sausage for tyres???

no idea.. i doubt they have ever been rebuilt. there is basically no suspension travel front n rear. like a solid gokart
Hmmm..... me thinks therein lies your problem.......

havent understeered off the track yet (lie i have a couple times, swingers fault tho for sure) and when you use the ripple strips........ i can manage to get it to turn. i'd just rather have it prone to oversteer rather than understeer. it still handles nice i recon. might lower the front? it just feels like front needs more weight on it. maybe swinger too far back all the time.
Do you lean much over the front??
Get ya passenger to lean even further back (not out) and see if it understeers even more. If it does, feed him more pies - or get him to lean more to the front.......

i got no idea what my swinger is up to back there.. Seriously??? I'm always looking...... there is a bit of video footage on youtube so someone that knows could watch and evaluate him..

when kick was on the chair it didn't understeer actually.. but we only did 2 x 1.58ish warm up laps.. so didnt get to see what it handled like at 1.55 with him on it. With Kicks weight, I doubt it would do a 1 hour 55 minute.....

dunno what sprockets to use on hd. we have rear 44 teeth and front 15teeth on at the moment.. got some gear ratio/top speed formula here but i hate math.

Stay on the same gearing. Kick will send you into the wall on lap 3 anyway........

[sidecar bob]

Are you mainlanders thick or sumpin???
Simple Euclidean geometry relating to Pythagoras’ theorem is involved. Got that?

Seriously, what is your front tyre like?? (I’m assuming shagged…) Your bike may be prone to understeer - so put your best tyre on the front to try to reduce it.
What is your front shock like?? (I’m assuming shagged…) When you turn in too hard, you may be ‘shocking’ the front tyre and cause it to slide, again causing understeer.

Remember that when you accelerate, you shift weight rearward and reduce front tyre grip. If your throttle application from the apex point of the corner is too vicious, your chair may also understeer. Because the weight of the chair is transferred to the rear too quickly, leaving the front with little grip. So if you can, try and get the chair turned before you use the twisty switch.
The problem with understeer is that to get rid of it you have to reduce your speed to less than the optimum for the particular corner. This will always cost you time. (and you don’t want that…) So Kai my man, at the first sign of a little understeer - do not keep increasing your steering! This does nothing! The tyres are already at 100% of their grip, and increasing the steering angle will only make your problems worse!

I would suggest getting your passenger to try some radical changes. Is he hanging too far off the side? Is he simply too heavy? (Was it Kick at the time?? Cause he's fucken useless...) Remember, he could be in the wrong place at the wrong time and is simply unloading the front. You need to do some drastic changes and notice their effects.

I on the other hand really enjoy the effects of understeer!! Having to crack off the throttle mid corner brings the rear around really fast, then it sets up the suspension to wallow, I love it!!

But, as Kick says, I don’t know shit……..

Scrivy

Youre a munter, all that & you didnt even ask what tyre pressures he's running!

[scrivy]

Youre a munter, all that & you didnt even ask what tyre pressures he's running!

I assumed he's kicked them........

[jellywrestler]

Youre a munter, all that & you didnt even ask what tyre pressures he's running!

the guy can't even use a tape measure to see whether the sidecars going to fit in the back of a truck or trailer why on earth would you think he could use a tyre pressure guage?

[scrivy]

the guy can't even use a tape measure to see whether the sidecars going to fit in the back of a truck or trailer why on earth would you think he could use a tyre pressure guage?

I'll say again....... what the fucks wrong with a kick?????