Can I avoid the registration ripoff by getting a dealer plate?

[jim.cox]

It's the $100 per ride I pay for each of the 1/2 dozen or so rides a year I enjoy on my classic

I'm in exactly the same boat - Since I'm not riding the Ducati everyday, or even every week, there is just no way its worth keeping it registered

[FuriousD]

Reminds me of when I was in Ireland and the CEO of Ryan Air bought a taxi so he could use the bus/taxi lanes around Dublin...he got away with it as he had it set up with a meter and would stop from time to time to pick up punters.....

I got pick up by him once. He's still doing it, or was when I left two years ago.

[scumdog]

This thread is fun - it's retardo zombie city man!!

[Drew]

legislation, read it. i've also explained this ad nauseum on this forum and elsewhere.
a person is a legal corporate fiction.
i stand as a man, not a fiction, not a person.
a person is created by the registration of a live berth. (and assigned an IRD#, SSN etc (tax/corporate registration number) AT BERTH!!(/incorporation))
"governments" use persons to trade, and do all sorts of maths, like this dollar is more than that dollar, and this bank can afford to make up this much credit while this one can't and this economy gets a billion dollar bailout while this one we just sell guns to etc etc etc.

most legislation in NZ is headed (around-a-bout point 3) that "this ACT binds the crown" - i am not the crown, i am not employed by the crown, so why should that ACT bind me?
(and who the fuck is the crown, because i want to hallal them.)

and why are they called ACTS is not for the purpose of ACTors.

other search queries you might want to pursue are:
-common law
-admiralty law
-freeman on the land

things that might help you in your critique-scapade (and minimise the number of dumb questions you want me to answer) are: law dictionary, plenty of coffee, few joints...



and you base your ASSumption on?

I think its fair to say that I have read a lot more legislation than you have.

I get it now: you're insane.

I'm no lawyer, but I think the point he's making is if you do not consent to being a person, legislation is moot.

I have a history of missing the point on these things though.

And, on the extreemly off chance that I have understood his meaning, I'm not sure I could argue it with a straight face. I enjoy my country of birth, and I will continue to pay my taxes...and the arrears they just won't fuckin forget about, to continue living here. Could stop and claim squatters rights on the country, but the maari would fuck that up for me anyway I guess.

[Drew]

This thread is fun - it's retardo zombie city man!!

We don't use the "Z" word, it's been found to be racially insensitive.

[Fast Eddie]

"governments" use persons to trade, and do all sorts of maths

haha... do all sorts of maths

[FJRider]

This thread is fun - it's retardo zombie city man!!

And these are the one's that can read ... and write .... sort of ...

[Akzle]

Common sense

bahahahahhaha.
(you got nothing.)

I think its fair to say that I have read a lot more legislation than you have.

I get it now: you're insane.

and secondly: that's entirely probable
firstly: i doubt it. and on the off chance you have/had, re-read it, but this time look beyond what they tell you to think.

haha... do all sorts of maths

okay. that was a bit of an exaggeration.

[Winston001]

a person is a legal corporate fiction.
i stand as a man, not a fiction, not a person.


most legislation in NZ is headed "this ACT binds the crown" - i am not the crown, i am not employed by the crown, so why should that ACT bind me?


-freeman on the land

Ooookaaay that explains a lot.

We have a real live Sovereign Man on KB - sometimes also called a Freeman.

You are a rare creature Akzle and have much to teach us.


Edit: statutes which specifically say "This Act binds the Crown" mean that government departments are bound by that law. Not all laws bind the Crown - govt buildings used to be exempt from council rates, not sure if they have to pay any EQC or fire levies even now.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I'm no lawyer, but I think the point he's making is if you do not consent to being a person, legislation is moot.

I have a history of missing the point on these things though.

And, on the extreemly off chance that I have understood his meaning, I'm not sure I could argue it with a straight face. I enjoy my country of birth, and I will continue to pay my taxes...and the arrears they just won't fuckin forget about, to continue living here. Could stop and claim squatters rights on the country, but the maari would fuck that up for me anyway I guess.

I am going to do a point by point refutation of it, but the takehome lesson is that it is fucking dribble.

[Winston001]

I get it now: you're insane.

Just for general interest, there is a libertarian movement called the Sovereign Man which I thought was confined to the vacant spaces of the American prairies but apparently there is at least one acolyte in NZ.

The Sovereign belief system...well let me quote:

"A Sovereign Individual believes in rights and power for the individual. Some of those defining characteristics include: a belief in the concept of self-ownership; a strong commitment to individual rights; a distrust of political democracy; a market-anarchist or natural order mindset…"

Governments and the laws they make are not recognised by this system which instead believes in ancient common law and the natural order. Whatever that is.

Here is a Sovereign man getting owned in an American courthouse:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Just for general interest, there is a libertarian movement called the Sovereign Man which I thought was confined to the vacant spaces of the American prairies but apparently there is at least one acolyte in NZ.

The Sovereign belief system...well let me quote:

"A Sovereign Individual believes in rights and power for the individual. Some of those defining characteristics include: a belief in the concept of self-ownership; a strong commitment to individual rights; a distrust of political democracy; a market-anarchist or natural order mindset…"

Governments and the laws they make are not recognised by this system which instead believes in ancient common law and the natural order. Whatever that is.

Here is a Sovereign man getting owned in an American courthouse:

that is awesome.

Job satisfaction that just cannot be beat!

Shirley if sovereignwad didnt accept any jurisdiction then darkening the door of a state or federal building is kind of against his religion.

[Big Dave]

Indiferentarian: Give me Freedom...or whatever.

And moreover HDC - whilst denying being part of the system, tazer-boy starts immediately bleatin' about 'his rights'. Richie Benaud voice: High voltage irony that.

[pzkpfw]

... whilst denying being part of the system, tazer-boy starts immediately bleatin' about 'his rights'. ...

Largely what I was thinking. (Also - trying to push past the two blocking the corridor, then saying "don't touch me" and trying to claim "battery").

If one of these sovereign Men steals off another (say; smaller, weaker, or more poorly armed) sovereign Man, where do they go to for this "natural justice"?

[Akzle]

We have a real live Sovereign Man on KB - sometimes also called a Freeman.

You are a rare creature Akzle and have much to teach us.

Edit: statutes which specifically say "This Act binds the Crown" mean that government departments are bound by that law. Not all laws bind the Crown - govt buildings used to be exempt from council rates, not sure if they have to pay any EQC or fire levies even now.

edit: find me some NZ legislation that does NOT say "this act binds the crown
2- find out who the fuck the crown is. i have a swift kick in the crotch for their tomfuckery.
3- why doesn't it say "this act binds every living man woman and child in the place known as new zealand, whether they like it or not"?
riddle me thus...

i'm not so rare. i'm completely uncooked right now. you're welcoms to the barbeque afterward though.

if a student fails to learn a teacher fails to teach.
so i don't teach. i tell. then if you fuckup i can say "i told you so"

I am going to do a point by point refutation of it...

...no hurry.

Just for general interest, there is a libertarian movement called the Sovereign Man which I thought was confined to the vacant spaces of the American prairies but apparently there is at least one acolyte in NZ.

The Sovereign belief system...well let me quote:

"A Sovereign Individual believes in rights and power for the individual. Some of those defining characteristics include: a belief in the concept of self-ownership; a strong commitment to individual rights; a distrust of political democracy; a market-anarchist or natural order mindset…"

Governments and the laws they make are not recognised by this system which instead believes in ancient common law and the natural order.

oh there are heaps of people having their ass handed to them in court. whether they claim to be freeman, sovereign, tuhoe, or whatever. there was a guy down rotorua, doing just fine, until they appointed him a lawyer and suddenly "he was sorry and mislead" and now GUILTY. (accepted jurisdiction, then provided mens rea - whammo, criminal conviction for a "civil crime" (no injured party))
it's not for the average dick. and were i to watch the video i could probably pinpoint where he went wrong.
that asides, most of that description you provided suits me.

Shirley if sovereignwad didnt accept any jurisdiction then darkening the door of a state or federal building is kind of against his religion.

that's step # one in his fuckup.

If one of these sovereign Men steals off another (say; smaller, weaker, or more poorly armed) sovereign Man, where do they go to for this "natural justice"?

a) generally people of the persuasion don't steal, asides from not needing to, it just aint right
2- you don't need to go anywhere for natural justice. it comes to you. the vedic "karma" fairly well covers it.

the guiding principals are three: do no harm to any (hu)man; do no harm to property (debatable re: being able to (claim to) "own" anything) and; honor your contracts (ie, don't lie, do what you say you will do.)

what more "laws" are required?

and as a general aside: i do not label myself a free man on the land, nor a sovereign being... i live free (do no harm) and despise the collective sickness that has resulted in the governments of the white, "western", capitalist world, in my free time, the rest of the time i'm enjoying my god-given (not government-ascribed) life...