Govt assault on young 'uns continues

[Banditbandit]

I really hope that’s not me you are inferring to. This "illiterate twat " know more in his little finger than you can string together full stop , This "illiterate twat has spent countless hour looking into how and why these thing are the way they are , this " illiterate twat" has laboured his way through " the road to serfdom " ,and , Isaiah Berlins 2 concepts etc to try and understand how and why ...

Some one here cant grasps the basics , and because their little rowboat seems to be falling apart , resort to cheap throwaway line that just highlights the failure of their remedial reading classes.

If by your post your are indeed inferring, I am the "illiterate twat ", then that a pretty high bench mark for others to aspire to .


Stephen

Yes and Yes .. I have employed people in a previous role - I do not have that responsibility at the moment ... In my previous role the ability to write whole sentences which made sense, with good grammer and punctuation, was a basic requirement of the job. A person who wrote in the way that you do here would not even be shortlisted ... no matter what else you thought you knew ... or thought you could do

And no, I don't have the basics of economics .. never studied, never will .. and numbers make bugger all sense to me ... my questions are a genuine attempt to understand what I currently know little about ...

[Brian d marge]

Yes and Yes .. I have employed people in a previous role - I do not have that responsibility at the moment ... In my previous role the ability to write whole sentences which made sense, with good grammer and punctuation, was a basic requirement of the job. A person who wrote in the way that you do here would not even be shortlisted ... no matter what else you thought you knew ... or thought you could do

And no, I don't have the basics of economics .. never studied, never will .. and numbers make bugger all sense to me ... my questions are a genuine attempt to understand what I currently know little about ...

this is a different medium than you are used to , You may find that , that the style of writing may have changed. Like it or not.

In my current job the need to use a computer to find the stresses and deflection, to run simulations on parts. different worlds

Not having a grasp on economics, then saying never studied and never will.

Pot, kettle I think .

Stephen

[HenryDorsetCase]

Well you know, we arent actually a sovereign nation any more, Key jumping to the MPAA's call amply demonstrated that, then going to give rimjobs to hollywood fatcats. So grinding down the peasants to pay for it, its the Mrkn way.

[mashman]

the UK had a double dip recession that we did not have, they had also had their OCR near 0%, they had nothing left, i spent 6 months in the UK last year and they are in way deeper than we are, we have not had to do the massive spending cuts that the Brits and some Euro nations have had to,

our dollar is high because everyone else is still in recession, we are growing again (and out interest rates are relativly high still), with the exception of the Aussie Mining boom (the States without mining are not well) we are doing better than most of our 1st world trading partners,

as for people thinking Aussie is the be all and end all, if you want to go live in the middle of the desert, doing 2 week or longer stints on 12 hour days, then their is money to be made, but you have to give up your lifestyle you have at the moment, some people can go and put thier heads down and make money for a few years and then invest the gains to come back for a lifestyle, some get stuck in the spend everything you earn category to the point where a heap of the Aussie fly in and fly out workers are setting up in Phuket or Bali and living thier on the months off, because Perth is to expensive, and its only a 4 hour flight up to Asia,

I understand that it's bad over in the UK as I still have many family over there... yet somehow they have still been able to pile $700 billion, give or take, into their economy without incurring the wrath of the gods of economics. If that is because their economy isn't growing and that growth means that you are unallowed to print money, then why didn't we do that when we weren't growing given our need to borrow 50 billion per year? Given the size, population distance and their neighbours it's hardly surprising that they're feeling it more than NZ. I still don't fully understand hyperinflation given that, essentially, the world prints more money on a daily basis to keep up with the new demand without incurring the wrath of the economics gods. there must be a secrets somewhere, almost as though there needs to be a need for the money.

Your search was very simple indeed.
The UK's economy is contracting. Our is growing.

Perhaps you should search the Weimar Republic and see what printing money achieved.

What is the difference between the money printers printing money every day and QE in tough times?

[Brian d marge]

What is the difference between the money printers printing money every day and QE in tough times?

One is done by Government the other by banks , One good the other bad

Stephen

price of bread back in the day

December 1918	0.5
	December 1921	4
	December 1922	163
	January 1923	250
	March 1923	463
	June 1923	1,465
	July 1923	3,465
	August 1923	69,000
	September 1923	1,512,000
	October 1923	1,743,000,000
	November 1923	201,000,000,000

[scumdog]

If by your post your are indeed inferring, I am the "illiterate twat ", then that a pretty high bench mark for others to aspire to .


Stephen

So why aren't they getting there??

[Brian d marge]

So why aren't they getting there??

I blame the parents and the lack of books in the home

Stephen

[mashman]

So why aren't they getting there??

I blame the pigs curtailing our freedom man

One is done by Government the other by banks , One good the other bad

How does the money from each find its way into the system?

[Brian d marge]

I blame the pigs curtailing our freedom man



How does the money from each find its way into the system?

you borrow, they borrow .we spend , they give themselves pay rises .

Stephen

[Akzle]

Which evens the playing field, at the moment who would get hired first; a 16yo high school dropout (I think at 16 there would be no chance they would have gone through 7th form right?) or a 20yo who has been working for a year or two with a reference etc. Bit of a no brainer I would think, unless the 16yo is cheaper!

Also, who can't manage to live on the 10.20per hour? after tax that will still be over 350 per week, if us students can do it on 240, why can't they do it for more?

i doubt students would have to pay to travel to "work" each day. also, copying someone elses notes, watching porn and drinking doesn't require quite the calories that a proper job does...

This is life,,,it has nothing to do with white mother fuckers,,,get used to it.

everything is somehow a white motherfucker's fault.

Now, in a parallel universe with lower minimum wage for young workers, if that means I can save some money and I know cashflow is important for me for the next 6 months, I'd probably think the young one is worth a try. This way the young one might end up getting work experience (which does not involve peddling drugs on the street) while the older one may end up getting a better job that properly uses his current experience.

Seriously, c'mon people....

you're highly optimistic... i doubt that the well qualified, incredibly good looking, fantastic employee would find a job anywhere else...

Whats your point mashman, either way round, he would have gained 2 years experience at the job... In fact Brett re iterates my point.. at 16 I was paid 12 quid a week about half of what my school mates got working in 'low skill' type employment, by 21 (5 yrs later) I was earning DOUBLE what they could at adult wage rates..... But I can assure you, your average txt speaking, attitude ridden, (i aint gunna make the tea, clean out that machine, sweep the floor) fuckwit wouldnt even get into the trade (engineering) cuz they kuldnt komprehnd unglish langwadge an do maf's. Trust me when you are working out relief angles for form tooling, reading a blueprint with tolerances of 2/10 of a thousandth of an inch (average piece of paper is 6 thou, thick to give you an idea how minuscule that is) on ground surfaces. Or, reading a complex plan or formulae/calculation requirement. Ya kunt txt yur mate or ask the 4man if yu can use yur laptop.

easy as shit with a surface grinder. bet you got a readout and all....

...double dip recession...OCR near 0%,... massive spending...

our dollar is high because everyone else is still in recession, we are growing ... interest rates ... trading partners,

there's a common theme here. money. it fucks shit up.

[bogan]

i doubt students would have to pay to travel to "work" each day. also, copying someone elses notes, watching porn and drinking doesn't require quite the calories that a proper job does...

After reading your posts it doesn't surprise me you are unfamiliar with academic institutions The flip side of that is, I doubt 16yos would have to pay full rent if they still live with their parents.

A lower wages simply gives young 'uns more chances to prove they are worth more. IMO simply allowing them to demand more doesn't help long term.

[GrayWolf]

i doubt students would have to pay to travel to "work" each day. also, copying someone elses notes, watching porn and drinking doesn't require quite the calories that a proper job does...


everything is somehow a white motherfucker's fault.

you're highly optimistic... i doubt that the well qualified, incredibly good looking, fantastic employee would find a job anywhere else...

But I can assure you, your average txt speaking, attitude ridden, (i aint gunna make the tea, clean out that machine, sweep the floor) fuckwit wouldnt even get into the trade (engineering) cuz they kuldnt komprehnd unglish langwadge an do maf's. Trust me when you are working out relief angles for form tooling, reading a blueprint with tolerances of 2/10 of a thousandth of an inch (average piece of paper is 6 thou, thick to give you an idea how minuscule that is) on ground surfaces. Or, reading a complex plan or formulae/calculation requirement. Ya kunt txt yur mate or ask the 4man if yu can use yur laptop.
easy as shit with a surface grinder. bet you got a readout and all....



there's a common theme here. money. it fucks shit up.

Damn you are good, Legal expert capable of argueing in court over points of law, Economist, Business guru AND now you're an expert in toolmaking......
BTW no it wasnt a surface grinder for form tooling...... a Wickman Schrivener OPG. and 2/10's on a Jones Shipman surface grinder is possible, as long as the bed was kept ground in regular and you used a toolmakers 'magnetic block' for small items. but not easy as shit!!!! But then obviously I couldnt have been as skilled as you.....

[Brian d marge]

i would use ( and can) a hand scraper...and some blue

easy as.........

stephen

[Brett]

you will still only make the perceived value for your skill set.

The purchasing power of a young persons income in the late 60s was more than it is today , late fifties you only needed ONE income to purchase a house, NOW its two , with all the social ills that come with that,

With the Ageing Tsunami approaching, A fundamental economic shift / values shift needs to happen,

May I suggest:

Remove speculation on homes ( capital gains tax)

Remove market forces from education up to polytechnic ( student loans etc ,,or subsidies loans for low decile students

School dinners

Remove taxes and/or subsidise fresh fruit and green veggies and increase it onto meat and high fructose goods

Remove market forces on electricity , or subsidise local generation , solar power per house , insulation , larger installations per community ( ie bring back the electricity board )

bring back work schemes for GOVERNMENT asset creation , bridges roads ,,,,

Just a few quick thoughts

Stephen

Haha...sounding pretty communist there mate!

[Brett]

And if you had have left school at 14 and had worked hard etc... you would have been earning at 16 what you were earning at 20.

No, because with that age differentiation came a) an education earned while working full time (studied full time as well) and b) the maturity that *usually* only come with both age and life experiences. Leaving school at 14, I would have been both mentally and educationally unprepared. For example, as a teenager I struggled with finishing the things that I started, ,this changed in my later years as I started to develop a very strong drive to be successful in everything that I did.