Govt assault on young 'uns continues

[Brian d marge]

Only if you want to - I wouldn't recommend it ... tree-huggers don't usually like bike riders .. and the chicks are pretty hairy ...




Well, that was very dumb ...



And that's why t'was very dumb ..




I wonder which of my colleagues in tertiary education taught you that?



Mate - I harp on about it in class to people just like you

Now your just ranting , with out substance (s)

Stephen

[Akzle]

I will generously offer to trade you two sticks for one laptop if you like.

i've got a better idea what you can do with those sticks....

Yeah yeah ... It's mine ... and I am armed ... (Treaty of Waitangi AND guns ...)

Yeah .. you are right .. it was $14million

idgaf, really. hates teh banks. still, 350$... i could do with that as a christmas bonus or something.
now. if only i could work out a way to take money off the entire population, enforce my dictates on everyone, AND have all my expenses paid....
nah, couldn't happen eh.

goodo, i'm not disputing your right to occupy "property" but your treaty and guns... the government has more, and if they want you moved, you will be moved. end of.

Yeah .. and what are you doing about that? What do you actually DO (apart from sitting on your system-designed, built and paid for computer keyboard wanking ?

you mean, i have to DO something OTHER than wanking to justify my beliefs.. huh.

Isn't that what we are all doing??

i took a piss this morning. whoooooooey, that'll be the last time i drink samoan beer all night.

[Banditbandit]

Now your just ranting , with out substance (s)

Stephen

Without substances? Don't most of us post here with substances - usually alcohol?

So clearly you have passed basic literacy and numeracy in your studies - please do the course for Unit Standard 26624 "Read Texts With Understanding" next ...

[Brian d marge]

Without substances? Don't most of us post here with substances - usually alcohol?

So clearly you have passed basic literacy and numeracy in your studies - please do the course for Unit Standard 26624 "Read Texts With Understanding" next ...

Sorry cant could cope with the " mind reading 101! requirement, always had difficulty with that one.

Stephen

[mashman]

please do the course for Unit Standard 26624 "Read Texts With Understanding" next ...

wtf m8, no h8 on de txts. L8r

[Brian d marge]

wtf m8, no h8 on de txts. L8r

"da" texts dumarse

Stephen

[Akzle]

"da" texts dumarse

Stephen

de = d'e = die, it's german.
foo'


found me a knife yet?

[mashman]

"da" texts dumarse

Stephen

abbreviated from tha? wit a knuckfuckle

[madandy]

Thatd b fknkl ya mpt

[mashman]

Thatd b fknkl ya mpt

chrs fr de lrn

[Banditbandit]

wtf m8, no h8 on de txts. L8r

Bwhahahaha ... Fuck me ... I must have passed that unit ... I can read it, but I need to complete the "write texts ..." 'cause I can't reply in the same style ...

[GDOBSSOR]

I got $6 hr a an apprentice.
$14 once qualified 4 years later.
Whats wrong with kids being paid a lower wage for 6 months? Once their worth is proven they're gonna get the same as an adult...
A mans pay for a mans work still exists for those that want it but $13.50 to stand around being shown how to do the job is fair to the employer how?

Oh and how is this the fault of us white melon farmers?

I agree that if you're an apprentice, you should not be paid the full adult wage as you are learning and being provided with a qualification at cost to the employer.
However, the same cannot be said for Countdown, Spotless, Z Petrol, etc. I went for an interview at Z Petrol before I got into nannying. If you are selected for a job there, you have to undergo three to four days of unpaid training before they let you go out.

At Countdown, they're pretty good about training, hours, warning systems, etc, but our local supermarket is certainly understaffed, and they're not provided with more than a week's training at the most. I know because my friend's a supervisor there.

I worked at a rest home, and it wasn't wonderful, as they provided you with two days' training and then sent you out to manage, or not. It was a circus, to say the least, in that everyone was underpaid for the work they did, some of the workers took it out on residents and in one case I couldn't find the nurse to help a patient in trouble.

A good friend of mine was telling me how proud he was that his 15 year old nephew starts his first job at K-mart next week. Well, proud he may be, and happy the kid may be to get a little extra pocket money and something extra to go on his CV. However, I'm not sure the nephew would be so thrilled to hear his wages he earned for working hard at a job which (let's face it isn't that hard to do if you're given sufficient training) would be cut by a third in a few months' time for no reason except his age, and that workers a few years older than him with no more legitimate experience, who weren't necessarily any better at their job, were still earning more per hour.
The problem? Well, there's the three month grace period where an employer can fire a worker for no reason. They can just hire a cheap young person over an expensive older worker, keep them for 3 months then let them go.

[Brian d marge]

I agree that if you're an apprentice, you should not be paid the full adult wage as you are learning and being provided with a qualification at cost to the employer.
However, the same cannot be said for Countdown, Spotless, Z Petrol, etc. I went for an interview at Z Petrol before I got into nannying. If you are selected for a job there, you have to undergo three to four days of unpaid training before they let you go out.

At Countdown, they're pretty good about training, hours, warning systems, etc, but our local supermarket is certainly understaffed, and they're not provided with more than a week's training at the most. I know because my friend's a supervisor there.

I worked at a rest home, and it wasn't wonderful, as they provided you with two days' training and then sent you out to manage, or not. It was a circus, to say the least, in that everyone was underpaid for the work they did, some of the workers took it out on residents and in one case I couldn't find the nurse to help a patient in trouble.

A good friend of mine was telling me how proud he was that his 15 year old nephew starts his first job at K-mart next week. Well, proud he may be, and happy the kid may be to get a little extra pocket money and something extra to go on his CV. However, I'm not sure the nephew would be so thrilled to hear his wages he earned for working hard at a job which (let's face it isn't that hard to do if you're given sufficient training) would be cut by a third in a few months' time for no reason except his age, and that workers a few years older than him with no more legitimate experience, who weren't necessarily any better at their job, were still earning more per hour.
The problem? Well, there's the three month grace period where an employer can fire a worker for no reason. They can just hire a cheap young person over an expensive older worker, keep them for 3 months then let them go.

shhhhh dont tell anyone .... its all about the almighty dollar .......

where everyone gets a shaftin

Stephen

[madandy]

I agree that if you're an apprentice, you should not be paid the full adult wage as you are learning and being provided with a qualification at cost to the employer.
However, the same cannot be said for Countdown, Spotless, Z Petrol, etc. I went for an interview at Z Petrol before I got into nannying. If you are selected for a job there, you have to undergo three to four days of unpaid training before they let you go out.

At Countdown, they're pretty good about training, hours, warning systems, etc, but our local supermarket is certainly understaffed, and they're not provided with more than a week's training at the most. I know because my friend's a supervisor there.

I worked at a rest home, and it wasn't wonderful, as they provided you with two days' training and then sent you out to manage, or not. It was a circus, to say the least, in that everyone was underpaid for the work they did, some of the workers took it out on residents and in one case I couldn't find the nurse to help a patient in trouble.

A good friend of mine was telling me how proud he was that his 15 year old nephew starts his first job at K-mart next week. Well, proud he may be, and happy the kid may be to get a little extra pocket money and something extra to go on his CV. However, I'm not sure the nephew would be so thrilled to hear his wages he earned for working hard at a job which (let's face it isn't that hard to do if you're given sufficient training) would be cut by a third in a few months' time for no reason except his age, and that workers a few years older than him with no more legitimate experience, who weren't necessarily any better at their job, were still earning more per hour.
The problem? Well, there's the three month grace period where an employer can fire a worker for no reason. They can just hire a cheap young person over an expensive older worker, keep them for 3 months then let them go.

Exellent examples like yours are probably far more common than some like me realise.
I've been arguing this from the perspective of a skilled person who might find themselves in a situation with young people fresh into the work force, earning the same for very differnt effort and effectiveness in their job rather than the idea that people in similar work to school leavers etc. may just not be worth any more than youths and the jobs not particularly demanding.

I've just returned from a week off in Canterbury and paid a 25 yr old $18hr to fill in for me.
He damaged my truck, missed jobs but got the bulk of it done well and kept the revenue turning over. He got bugger all training from me cause at $235 a day to sit and be shown what I do which is basically drive a big truck like its a courier van, I consider it easy enough and dont sweat the little mistakes which improve with time on the job as would the hourly rate.

[oneofsix]

Exellent examples like yours are probably far more common than some like me realise.
I've been arguing this from the perspective of a skilled person who might find themselves in a situation with young people fresh into the work force, earning the same for very differnt effort and effectiveness in their job rather than the idea that people in similar work to school leavers etc. may just not be worth any more than youths and the jobs not particularly demanding.

I've just returned from a week off in Canterbury and paid a 25 yr old $18hr to fill in for me.
He damaged my truck, missed jobs but got the bulk of it done well and kept the revenue turning over. He got bugger all training from me cause at $235 a day to sit and be shown what I do which is basically drive a big truck like its a courier van, I consider it easy enough and dont sweat the little mistakes which improve with time on the job as would the hourly rate.

in your last paragraph I see a common mistake which I too have been really guilty of. we understand our jobs so well it is hard to see how anybody can't do them and then you give the job to a reasonably skilled peson and realise the shit you just automatically knew.

What I see in this youth wage is the fast food outlets creaming it, six monthly turn over of staff - sweet. We already use the WINZ training allowance to subsidise the fast food industry in hiring people off the WINZ list that they would have had to hire anyway, this means the job comes with conditions that means the old trick of getting a job at Maccas and arranging shifts so you can study to improve is nolonger available as they have to do minimum hours and minimum shit shifts. Remember this allowance was sold as allowing the likes of a small business to hire a trainee or extra staff member they required but couldn't quite afford not as subsidising a multinational poison dispenser to increase the countries overseas debt.

Sorry taking money away from people that will spend it in the local stores and saving multinationals wage costs doesn't seem a smart way to rebuild the economy of NZ, I dear say Aus and the US will profit though.