MotoGP 2012

[Badjelly]

It's not looking good for the future either. There'll be an announcement any day about spec ECU's.

Surely the spec ECUs will help reduce the current boring-ness. More riders near the front because of a smaller difference between the leading manufacturers (Honda) and the followers. Limits on the sophistication, so no more of that different-settings-for-every-corner stuff.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Dress warmly....

I always do there!

[Badjelly]

Yeah, and why is he the only one the haters pick on?

Dunno....Most if not all of it is simple petty jealousy.

Did you know notice that clever thing I did where I put my question about Stoner-haters after a Lorenzo-hating quote from you. No? Why do I bother?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Did you know notice that clever thing I did where I put my question about Stoner-haters after a Lorenzo-hating quote from you. No? Why do I bother?

Nothing Lorenzo hating about me mate. I think he's one of the most talented racers on earth and will truly deserve this years title. See unlike the Stoner haters...I can easily admit how good others are.

[tbs]

To the rest of the readers in this thread, sorry for the interuptions, I will be the big man and surrender to Crasherfromwayback, you win

What? No! Keep at it. I was enjoying it.


About Rossi's comments and the boringness of GP, I reckon one of the main reasons it is getting boring is that the main contenders appear to get along too well. I was reading David Emmett's commentary on the Moto2 race from a few weeks ago and he was saying how the top guys, Marquez, Espargaro, and Iannone all hate each other enough to always fight tooth and nail on the track. I was reminded of the Rainey Schwantz era when those two truly hated each other and couldn't stand to be beaten by the other at all. I think they both said the other guy was the only rider they ever tried to push off the track.
I want that for the modern era. I don't want corporate stooges saying what their PR people tell them to say. I want Rossi and Biaggi having fisticuffs in the stairs and trying to push each other off the track. I want psychological games and temper tantrums, and riders throwing their toys out of the cot. The lower grades have this stuff in spades, but the premier class seems too polished and PC.

I want a BIG difference in points between 1st and 2nd spot so guys like Lorenzo never ever settle for second place but fight tooth and nail for the win.


And I want Crasher and Shaun to be at each other's throats between rounds.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I want a BIG difference in points between 1st and 2nd spot so guys like Lorenzo never ever settle for second place but fight tooth and nail for the win.


And I want Crasher and Shaun to be at each other's throats between rounds.

Yeah that's an idea!

And I'm up for it. If someone wants to start a pissing competition, best you be prepared to wear some urine.

[Robert Taylor]

Surely the spec ECUs will help reduce the current boring-ness. More riders near the front because of a smaller difference between the leading manufacturers (Honda) and the followers. Limits on the sophistication, so no more of that different-settings-for-every-corner stuff.

There are now production bikes with ''different settings for every corner stuff'' and aftermarket shocks that are the same. All originating at some degree from racing. Its perverse that such technology would be sought to be severely restricted for racing when you can purchase off a showroom floor.
This is not only about the racing itself, its about technological progress.

[tail_end_charlie]

There are now production bikes with ''different settings for every corner stuff'' and aftermarket shocks that are the same. All originating at some degree from racing. Its perverse that such technology would be sought to be severely restricted for racing when you can purchase off a showroom floor.

Agreed, to a certain extent.

This is not only about the racing itself, its about technological progress.

Depends on your POV:
From the manufactures, they want to win to gain publicity, therefore more likely to sell more bikes, with an end goal of making more money. An advantage to racing is that there is a trickle down effect (I would hazard a guess to say that this is probably lower priority than gaining publicity) in technology that goes into the road bikes from what they learn in racing R&D.
For the organisers, they want to gain publicity in order to obtain more sponsership and a wider audience, with an end goal of making more money. They don't care one iota about development of technology if it effects their profits. Whatever gains more publicity will gain their favor.
For the spectators, they all want to be entertained, while a much smaller minority want to be able to see and appreciate the technology behind the machines. It's these diehards (and I use that reference in a good way) are the people who go out to GPs as often as they can, who have done and will do so for years, and are also the ones who spend the week between races furiously banging away on their keyboards in forum sites discussing the sport. They are a core part of the whole symbiotic relationship, but there arn't enough of them to make the whole process profitable, therefore neither the manufactures or the organisers can bow to their express wishes. Hence rules that may slow technological development, but will (hopefully) increase the overall spectical that will be appreciated by a greater overall audience.

[tail_end_charlie]

What? No! Keep at it. I was enjoying it.


And I want Crasher and Shaun to be at each other's throats between rounds.

I guess it adds a certain amount of between race entertainment, but I don't like getting thrown into a generalization with any individual that I don't know just because of a common hair color. Just because one is claimed to be a.......well.........blank blank blank (whatever mulitiple unrepeatable metaphors Crasher used), doesn't mean that all of us are. I think normal people hate us just because we are immune to AIDS, so they are jealous. Get over it.

[Shaun]

What? No! Keep at it. I was enjoying it.

Sorry to spoil ya reading mate but cannot see the point in replying anymore to a person who types things about me being a Thief when that never happened.

all good though, there are many people on this site that know the true Shaun Harris and the good he has given back too quite a few members on here


One last time for Crasher though

Crasherfromway back, as I have said to you before, I humbly apologise for my phone call to your employers many years ago when I was a total spinner due to a little injury, NOT an exscuse dude, just a Fact.

[DidJit]

... This is not only about the racing itself, its about technological progress.

I think what people are trying to curb is the amount of spending required in what has become an electronics arms race. I don't think anyone wants to see technological progress halted (for the riders and teams will always want to go faster, no?). At the moment, no one but Honda can (realistically) afford the current levels of investment (and even their bean-counters are protesting), which means that the grid is barely full and the “racing” virtually non-existent. Are we all in agreement? All of this has been covered ad infinitum all over the interwebs...

So, the trick is: how is Honda’s big budget advantage curbed to allow other players to play in the same arena (creating some of that racing we all want to see while not impeding the engineers)? A spec-ECU is one idea (which Honda don't completely object to, by the way, just the expense in re-writing their proprietary software to sync with Magneti-Marelli’s), but there could be other avenues... Tyre performance perhaps? (Look what the 2012 Bridgestones did to the RC213V...) Fuel allowance for factories versus privateers? (e.g. say 18L vs. 24L; meaning a factory’s electronics budget is spent working out how to make the 18 litres last race distance while the privateers gleefully twist the throttle and map the ECU to whatever other function they like...) Or, maybe, the privateers get electronically aided suspension (reducing their bike’s need for traction control as you mentioned earlier) while the factories get the current method of suspension? Just throwing ideas out there but you get I mean...

Anyhoo, we’re obviously not the rule makers or decision makers so our conjecture, speculation and theorizing is just enthusiast hand-wringing. I applaud Dorna for trying to make the show better and I applaud the factories for their relentless quest to be the best — hopefully some compromise is made and some stable regulations set in place soon so that the show can roll on and we continue to enjoy premier class racing.

[Oscar]

Surely the spec ECUs will help reduce the current boring-ness. More riders near the front because of a smaller difference between the leading manufacturers (Honda) and the followers. Limits on the sophistication, so no more of that different-settings-for-every-corner stuff.

Spec ECU's are out.

[DidJit]

Pray tell, o sage one, what is in then? You have the inside word, don’t you? C’mon, out with it.

[Drew]

Fuck me, I just spent twenty minutes forming a multi quote piss take of everyones favourite gnome.

But I really think it just falls into cyber bullying at this point. Cunt's obviously off the meds again.

Shaun, sort it man. You are looking a bigger cock than I do most of the time, that is not an accolade.

[Shaun]

Fuck me, I just spent twenty minutes forming a multi quote piss take of everyones favourite gnome.

But I really think it just falls into cyber bullying at this point. Cunt's obviously off the meds again.

Shaun, sort it man. You are looking a bigger cock than I do most of the time, that is not an accolade.

Sorry Drew, fully on the meds dude! I guess that is why I am so calm these days,glad I never took them before I stopped racing, I might have been a pussy as a rider also, like others on here haha, not mentioning any names of course

The gnome