Another two-year-old toddler beaten to death

[Coolz]

We need one of those psychological torture camps like the one yanks throw terrorists into. A bit of intense therapy till they realise the fault lies with them and not society and when they stop feeling sorry for themselves and feel a genuine remorse for their victims then they will be ready to start their prison sentance.

[Akzle]

I'm sick of your crap like this ...

a) a society is legally defined. "new zealand is under the jurisdiction of crown legislation"
- i do not fit the legal definition. therefore, legally, i am not part of your society. and since you're a good law abiding cunt, that's the end of that.

b) i do not "do nothing"

c) i put it to you to provide an interpretation of anarchism, which, it so happens, isn't at all what i'm after or proponing.
c-i) your suspicion has completely missed the mark, but please, elaborate on "my misinterpretation of anarchism"

d) i'm actually fairly removed, by choice, from "what happens in YOUR country"
d-i) by what right do you claim this to be YOUR country?
d-ii) at what point in time was i consulted on how, where and when they build roads?
d-iii) would you prefer i took a tank everywhere, but instead of using roads, rolled over "private land"?
d-iv) again. seriously. who gave you this country? or the right to make decisions about it? who gave you the right to dictate how anyone ese should live?

e) : b)

You forget that planet Akzle, though it shares a common physical location, is a parallel universe.

see. this guy gets it.

[Drew]

they don't view the world the same as us any more, no longer by choice do they act.

Right there luv, is where ya lost me.

I know one thing for sure, the answers ain't on KB.

This is where ya won me back over.

[Genestho]

Right there luv, is where ya lost me.


This is where ya won me back over.

Mmmm it's interesting.
I read quite a bit of stuff; research, books and reports, have become privy to stuff, been through and seen stuff particularly in the social and welfare sector - both sides, and then of course the Justice sector - the more knowledge I glean, the more I understand, the less I know. Fiddle dee dee potayto's.

[Drew]

Mmmm it's interesting.
I read quite a bit of stuff; research, books and reports, have become privy to stuff, been through and seen stuff particularly in the social and welfare sector - both sides, and then of course the Justice sector - the more knowledge I glean, the more I understand, the less I know. Fiddle dee dee potayto's.

I'll debate the merits of your way in person some time, I cannot try and make a serious point on the internet. It goes against my religion.

[Edbear]

I'll debate the merits of your way in person some time, I cannot try and make a serious point on the internet. It goes against my religion.

It goes against the way of the internet, too...

[Banditbandit]

Worse still it gets offered as a defensenot sure whats worse,someone actually using the fact that there old man bum fucked them as an excuse to do it to a child or a justice system that listens to it and gives them a limp wristed sentence because of it.

Think you mis read my post,i dont accept that because its done to me it gives me a reason to do it to others,far from it.As for the reasons it happens,its not rocket science eh and i dont need an army of well intentioned social workers coming up with a different reason each week as to why it happens.It happens because theres a heap of fuck ups out there,moneywhats that got to do with abusing a kid?nothing at all,social enviromentagain a load of tripe.Head outta the sand eh all the govt depts full of whoever with whatever degrees in anything wont change a thing,they have all been around forever but has it made any difference?.Cant shoot the fuck ups so whats next then?

We need one of those psychological torture camps like the one yanks throw terrorists into. A bit of intense therapy till they realise the fault lies with them and not society and when they stop feeling sorry for themselves and feel a genuine remorse for their victims then they will be ready to start their prison sentance.

OK .. you seem to accept that a persona who has been abused (sexually or physically) as a child is likely to become an abuser ...

I am sugesting that "it si societies fault" .. I am not sugegsting that it is the "social environment" ... I am suggesting adult personal responsibility ... but I am also sugegstign that we do something to stop the innocent victims becoming the abuser ...

So ... some innocent little boy of five years old goes to bed one night .. and his father arrives two hours later and sodomizes him ... through no actions of the child's - totally the father's fault.

This goes on at least once a week for three years, when at the age of eight years someone notices there is something wrong and there is an investigation ... and the father is proved to have raped his son for three years ... Now we take out the father and shoot him ...

What do we do with the innocent victim?

There is a good chance he will become an abuser ... we know that ... This has nothing do with money (No idea why you might suggest that 98tls) ... he is psychologically scared - etc etc ...

How do we deal with this boy? If we do nothing then abuse will continue - the innocent 5-year-old will grow up to be an abuser - at which point we shoot him - and leave his victin to become another abuser ... at eight-years-old we feel sorry for the abused child - at 25 we call him a perp and shoto him .. same person ...

And no, we do not subject him to aversion therapy - that's just another form of abuse and it does not work.

There is something wrong with doing it that way ...

I am not offering this to excuse the behaviour .. I am offering this as a way out of the trap - a trap that your violent solutions will not release ...

I agree that adult abusers should be shot - they are beyond help - it's too late for them ... the five-year-old boy about to be abused tonite by his father is not beyond help .. but he will be if nothing is done for him ...

[imdying]

How do we deal with this boy?

Unfortunately we have to whack him too. It's not nice, but long term it's the safest solution... and here in NZ, we need the government to keep us safe.

[Banditbandit]

Unfortunately we have to whack him too. It's not nice, but long term it's the safest solution... and here in NZ, we need the government to keep us safe.

See ... I don't agree ... there are better solutions . and hitting an abused child just perpetrates the abuse .. the child leanrs it is all right to hit others ... and continues the abuse

[oneofsix]

See ... I don't agree ... there are better solutions . and hitting an abused child just perpetrates the abuse .. the child leanrs it is all right to hit others ... and continues the abuse

Are there better solutions? really? I do hope so but no one seems to have them even though a lot will tell you they exist. Do they cost too much or take society to actually care rather than being a lynch mob?

[Banditbandit]

Are there better solutions? really? I do hope so but no one seems to have them even though a lot will tell you they exist. Do they cost too much or take society to actually care rather than being a lynch mob?

Yeah .. they take society to actually care ... and I know . that's difficult for most people here ..

But people care about our child abuse rate ... to stop child abuse they need to care about the actual victims ... not just the statistics .. becuase it is the victims who generally become the abusers ... and as soon as you say that the fucktards says "stop making excuses .."

[oneofsix]

Yeah .. they take society to actually care ... and I know . that's difficult for most people here ..

But people care about our child abuse rate ... to stop child abuse they need to care about the actual victims ... not just the statistics .. becuase it is the victims who generally become the abusers ... and as soon as you say that the fucktards says "stop making excuses .."

Lots of individuals care but to get them together to care is the problem, especially in today's thinking that the govt takes the taxes for this, holds the purse strings and is governed by statistics. Also the individuals get fed conflicting information. Guess this why those that do something and succeed are held up as good citizens. Also you get the situation where those that would give a damn don't tend to circulate with these creeps that cause the problems and those that do circulate with them will not "nark"

[imdying]

Sorry, by 'whack' I meant exterminate.

[Banditbandit]

Sorry, by 'whack' I meant exterminate.

[imdying]

4,444,444. We already know that the downfall of humanity will be over populating ourselves. We know we can't fix the broken ones, so that only leaves one alternative. Or we could let them grow into offenders... but given that's what we do now, and it doesn't work, why not give my way a go?