Another two-year-old toddler beaten to death

[Banditbandit]

We know we can't fix the broken ones,

I don't agree .. there are some who can be fixed ... we have to at least try ..

There wil be several people here who have been "fixed" .. i.e. come from backgrounds that produce offenders but who have not become offenders ...

We have to try ... otherwise we wil never stop the offender/victim/offender/victim cycle - and we wil just contunually be killing off the victim/offenders ... Gas ovens anyone?

[imdying]

I don't agree .. there are some who can be fixed ... we have to at least try ..

It's too dangerous to hope that they might be some of the few, thus safer for society as a whole if we cull them when we've got them identified.

We have to try ... otherwise we wil never stop the offender/victim/offender/victim cycle - and we wil just contunually be killing off the victim/offenders

No, we do not. I don't think we'll ever stop it, but we'll definitely thin the numbers. Yes it'll be a continuous cull, but if the alternative is a lottery as to whether past offenders will reoffend, or victims will become offenders themselves, that's probably not bad value for money. As evocative as 'gas oven' is, surely there are more efficient methods.

[jasonu]

Sorry, by 'whack' I meant exterminate.

You're being a retard

[Banditbandit]

You're being a retard

Unlikely .. more likely he's trolling ... he's good at that ...

[oneofsix]

You're being a retard

using his theory would could deal with those by shooting them too

This method works too; http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/america...-to-stop-abuse

[Banditbandit]

using his theory would could deal with those by shooting them too

This method works too; http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/america...-to-stop-abuse

Yes .. that stops the abuse ... but creates one 12 year old with a few issues ... I hope the poor little shit gets through it ... but other kids like this get pretty fucked up ...

[oneofsix]

Yes .. that stops the abuse ... but creates one 12 year old with a few issues ... I hope the poor little shit gets through it ... but other kids like this get pretty fucked up ...

yes or has he solved most of his issues. Perhaps he is on the road to recovery having recognized the abuse wasn't right and set out to stop it. Now "the system" can abuse him or help him.

[oldrider]

"Welfare State" - pffft!

This is a crime against "the child" and the "Welfare state" and we, the silent majority just stand back and wail on KB!

Nothing of any consequence will be done about it and the same outrage will be voiced about the next one ... probably within the week!

We could start by making Judges "really" accountable for their decisions!

[Akzle]

We could start by making Judges "really" accountable for their decisions!

no. we couldn't. the government represents you lot, ie makes decisions for you.
the court system is "an independant judiciary"
it's unconstitutional for you, (via your government), to make decisions concerning the actions/inactions of the court.

cool game huh?

don't forget to vote!

[oneofsix]

no. we couldn't. the government represents you lot, ie makes decisions for you.
the court system is "an independant judiciary"
it's unconstitutional for you, (via your government), to make decisions concerning the actions/inactions of the court.

cool game huh?

don't forget to vote!

like the govt you confuse their duty with ours. They do it because they want the power.

They are elected to represent us but we are still free to make our own decisions and that is very constitutional. It is unconstitutional for them not to represent our wishes.

However as to what is usual ...

[Winston001]

Nothing of any consequence will be done about it and the same outrage will be voiced about the next one ... probably within the week!

Dunno John, hopefully we are moving in the right direction. Paula Bennet has taken on the hard ask and proposed sharing of data for at risk children. That's been a big No No for decades and I expect Labour will be against it. Sharing data raises suspicions of Big Brother and State control - at least in some peoples minds.

And to be fair, we've seen some awful slippage of confidential information lately from ACC and the Ministry of Social Development.

Still, I think that risk is tiny and acceptable if social services, hospitals, doctors, and police can all link up to identify disfunctional families and their sad wee children. I'd add schools in there too - teachers daily see signs of abuse and neglect.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...ts-master-plan

[Ocean1]

Paula Bennet has taken on the hard ask and proposed sharing of data for at risk children.

Pretty much every health professional and social worker has been operating under compulsary disclosure protocols for the last decade. What's changing, and to what end?

[98tls]

OK .. you seem to accept that a persona who has been abused (sexually or physically) as a child is likely to become an abuser ...

I am sugesting that "it si societies fault" .. I am not sugegsting that it is the "social environment" ... I am suggesting adult personal responsibility ... but I am also sugegstign that we do something to stop the innocent victims becoming the abuser ...

So ... some innocent little boy of five years old goes to bed one night .. and his father arrives two hours later and sodomizes him ... through no actions of the child's - totally the father's fault.

This goes on at least once a week for three years, when at the age of eight years someone notices there is something wrong and there is an investigation ... and the father is proved to have raped his son for three years ... Now we take out the father and shoot him ...

What do we do with the innocent victim?

There is a good chance he will become an abuser ... we know that ... This has nothing do with money (No idea why you might suggest that 98tls) ... he is psychologically scared - etc etc ...

How do we deal with this boy? If we do nothing then abuse will continue - the innocent 5-year-old will grow up to be an abuser - at which point we shoot him - and leave his victin to become another abuser ... at eight-years-old we feel sorry for the abused child - at 25 we call him a perp and shoto him .. same person ...

And no, we do not subject him to aversion therapy - that's just another form of abuse and it does not work.

There is something wrong with doing it that way ...

I am not offering this to excuse the behaviour .. I am offering this as a way out of the trap - a trap that your violent solutions will not release ...

I agree that adult abusers should be shot - they are beyond help - it's too late for them ... the five-year-old boy about to be abused tonite by his father is not beyond help .. but he will be if nothing is done for him ...

Accept,Thats about it eh,NZs bird should be an Ostrich.Your posts are indeed interesting and well put,i wish you all the best in an obviously heartfelt quest but the sooner you start spitting the sand out of your eyes the better off.

[98tls]

Just a thought since your hell bent on the sins of the father shite,head down to your local courthouse on any given day and listen to "why are you appearing before me on your 18th drink driving conviction" the regular answer being "my father was an alcoholic".To say someone thats been abused is likely to be an abuser is howd you work that out?cause every shithead facing conviction for such a thing says to the army of otherwise unemployable social workers "my father did it to me",you accept that...

[Drew]

Just a thought since your hell bent on the sins of the father shite,head down to your local courthouse on any given day and listen to "why are you appearing before me on your 18th drink driving conviction" the regular answer being "my father was an alcoholic".To say someone thats been abused is likely to be an abuser is howd you work that out?cause every shithead facing conviction for such a thing says to the army of otherwise unemployable social workers "my father did it to me",you accept that...

The drinking example you are giving, is completely different and you know it.