Weed legalised in 2 USA states

**HenryDorsetCase** · 9th November 2012, 08:46

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

Nothing personal I think all lawyers are twats.

But to answer you first post.
So banning something doesn't work so lets just let drunk drivers off, speeders, wife and child beaters, see where i'm going with this.

Lets cut off a hand of pot smokers, they will never do it a third time.

Not a deep thinker are you?

Your proposition does not support your conclusion. If you re-read my post, my stated position is (to rephrase it): You can do what you want to yourself. Spike up some smack, smoke a shit ton of crystal meth, make a hash brownie the size of Ethiopia and eat it all, I dont care. But when your choices start to negatively affect others, that is where societal sanction is warranted. So you, to feed your drug habit, put your girlfriend out on the stroll. Thats bad. You steal: No. You lie or defraud or demand money with menaces: no. You drive drunk. No. You beat your wife and kids? no. You see where I am going with this? The problem is not drugs per se, it is people. and there are (I venture to suggest, without having researched it) way more people who have and cause problems with the "legal" drugs than they do with the illegal ones. I just think the hypocrisy is too much to bear. I also think that a government missing a revenue stream such as this is a disservice to the rest of the taxpayers. If all the pot heads are taxed, then the excise tax on alcohol could conceivably be reduced and I could buy wine at $15 a bottle instead of $20. Woo.

**HenryDorsetCase** · 9th November 2012, 08:48

Originally Posted by 007XX

Binge anything, and you will pay the consequences for it, be it alcohol, food, apathism, etc

I dunno, man, I used to be apathetic but now I just don't care.

**BoristheBiter** · 9th November 2012, 08:56

Originally Posted by 007XX

I'm sorry, but I disagree based on the thinking that being prejudiced against marijuana doesn't make you any more correct just because you have a perceived high moral viewpoint.

This argument will always come to a standstill between those who do, and those who don't.

Excess is bad in anything. Recreational should be just that, but some people cannot seem to comprehend this.

Binge anything, and you will pay the consequences for it, be it alcohol, food, apathism, etc

I am not on any moral high ground, just a reformed smoker. (even worse).
After smoking for over 25years I know for a fact what it has done to my system.

Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase

Not a deep thinker are you?

Your proposition does not support your conclusion. If you re-read my post, my stated position is (to rephrase it): You can do what you want to yourself. Spike up some smack, smoke a shit ton of crystal meth, make a hash brownie the size of Ethiopia and eat it all, I dont care. But when your choices start to negatively affect others, that is where societal sanction is warranted. So you, to feed your drug habit, put your girlfriend out on the stroll. Thats bad. You steal: No. You lie or defraud or demand money with menaces: no. You drive drunk. No. You beat your wife and kids? no. You see where I am going with this? The problem is not drugs per se, it is people. and there are (I venture to suggest, without having researched it) way more people who have and cause problems with the "legal" drugs than they do with the illegal ones. I just think the hypocrisy is too much to bear. I also think that a government missing a revenue stream such as this is a disservice to the rest of the taxpayers. If all the pot heads are taxed, then the excise tax on alcohol could conceivably be reduced and I could buy wine at $15 a bottle instead of $20. Woo.

Sorry I thought the

would have been a give away.

**007XX** · 9th November 2012, 08:58

Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase

I dunno, man, I used to be apathetic but now I just don't care.

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**007XX** · 9th November 2012, 09:03

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

I am not on any moral high ground, just a reformed smoker. (even worse).
After smoking for over 25years I know for a fact what it has done to my system.
y.

So am I, a reformed smoker that is. But I won't turn this into a pissing contest as to whom smoked the longest and how much it affected us.

Yes, smoking is bad, no arguments. Secluding weed as the most evil though, just because it is an illegal drug? I disagree. They are both harmful if abused, just like alcohol and anything else that if misused can be harmful.

**oneofsix** · 9th November 2012, 09:04

Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase

Not a deep thinker are you?

Your proposition does not support your conclusion. If you re-read my post, my stated position is (to rephrase it): You can do what you want to yourself. Spike up some smack, smoke a shit ton of crystal meth, make a hash brownie the size of Ethiopia and eat it all, I dont care. But when your choices start to negatively affect others, that is where societal sanction is warranted. So you, to feed your drug habit, put your girlfriend out on the stroll. Thats bad. You steal: No. You lie or defraud or demand money with menaces: no. You drive drunk. No. You beat your wife and kids? no. You see where I am going with this? The problem is not drugs per se, it is people. and there are (I venture to suggest, without having researched it) way more people who have and cause problems with the "legal" drugs than they do with the illegal ones. I just think the hypocrisy is too much to bear. I also think that a government missing a revenue stream such as this is a disservice to the rest of the taxpayers. If all the pot heads are taxed, then the excise tax on alcohol could conceivably be reduced and I could buy wine at $15 a bottle instead of $20. Woo.

Don't make a substance illegal make doing bad shit to others illegal regardless of substance or no substance involvement.

**BoristheBiter** · 9th November 2012, 09:30

Originally Posted by 007XX

So am I, a reformed smoker that is. But I won't turn this into a pissing contest as to whom smoked the longest and how much it affected us.

Yes, smoking is bad, no arguments. Secluding weed as the most evil though, just because it is an illegal drug? I disagree. They are both harmful if abused, just like alcohol and anything else that if misused can be harmful.

I never said one was worse than the other.

**SMOKEU** · 9th November 2012, 09:51

We should have some KB session meet ups. No cops allowed.

**jrandom** · 9th November 2012, 10:04

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

We should have some KB session meet ups. No cops allowed.

What an absolutely brilliant idea. I'm sure nobody's thought of that before. Do you want to start the event thread, or shall I?

**SMOKEU** · 9th November 2012, 10:10

Originally Posted by jrandom

What an absolutely brilliant idea. I'm sure nobody's thought of that before. Do you want to start the event thread, or shall I?

I'll let you do the honours.

**mashman** · 9th November 2012, 10:38

Originally Posted by jrandom

Yeah, they're nasty. I don't touch them no more. People only smoke them because either:

(a) they can't get the real thing cos they don't have the hookups, or

(b) they get drug-tested at work.

Legalisation fixes (a), and (b) isn't an issue if you smoke carefully and in moderation. THC only stays in your system for a long time if you build it up in your system for a long time. I work with someone who smoked up on Friday night and pissed clear on Monday morning. The key is to be clear, stay clear, have one smoke when you're not going to be going to work for the next day or two, and leave it at that.

True. What someone will load up in a single will allow me to make 3 singles. A light dusting for me seems to work wonders. In the 2 years I smoked very regularly, I didn't build up a tolerance as I didn't need to use more and more or smoke more and more frequently to achieve the same benefit... plus a single these days turns me into a complete mong within seconds.

Originally Posted by jrandom

That won't be cannabinoid-type legal highs, it'll be completely unrelated stimulants, I'd expect.

Possibly, possibly not. No doubt there's all sorts of shit in there that's not good for you

. There were a story or two in NZ last yearish where a nasty substance had been found in certain smokeme legal high products. I figure I'll die someday, but didn't fancy it at the hands of some government backed unscrupulous supplier.