ANPR vans

[Scuba_Steve]

because I don't have a tinfoil hat on.

Nope only your blinders

Did I miss something? Do we have a permanent 4km/h tolerance now?

Only for heavy vehicles & trailers, has been for awhile

[swbarnett]

Meh, you need to get out more. Venture thru Western Europe, cameras everyfrickinwhere, armed Police and most sizeable public facilities you go into bags get searched and you step thru a metal detector as though you're about to board a plane.

Which is exactly why I think it's a very real possibility it will happen here. We can't afford to let the frog boil!

The illusion of safety is quite an inconvenience to Joe Public, but oh heck, if it keeps most whackos at bay...all fine by me

This kind of thinking is going to remove all freedom. "If it save's one life it's worth it." is so naive.

[BoristheBiter]

It definitely is a wonderful place to live. That's why I don't want it to change. The thought that I shouldn't worry about the slow reversal of our right to not be scrutinised every minute is quite frankly obhorent.

You think being scrutinised is abhorrent (I do like that word anyway it's spelled) but you are on the internet. I bet you have a credit card and an EFTpos card.
You do know that they track your every purchase?

Which is exactly why I think it's a very real possibility it will happen here. We can't afford to let the frog boil!


This kind of thinking is going to remove all freedom. "If it save's one life it's worth it." is so naive.

If it saves mine then it is worth it.

[kiwi cowboy]

Yes you missed something.

HMVs and cars towing trailers have a 4 kmh tolerance. Cars and bikes have a 10 kmh tolerance, apart from outside schools, long weekends etc, when it drops to 4 kmh.

HMVs and cars towing trailers have a greater issue with stopping distances, which is why the tolerance is lower permanently.

Yeah, its all about revenue collecting blah blah blah.

See this is what gets me.
The speed limit is "supposed" to be with saftey in mind but i tow a trailor a bit on the road and i do sit on 100 or a fraction more as i know my speedo reads low if im in traffic and can stay with the flow at that speed BUT i make sure i have a gap in front of me big enough to react to situations.
To me staying with the flow of traffic is safer than sitting on 90 and having traffic build up behind then taking risks passing in places that are unbelivable.

Before i get roasted for traffic behind me and i should pull over and let them pass well i do now as im not a fuckwit that speeds up on a passing lane like i also see but actualy slow down to let any cars behind get passed.

The other issue with pulling over to let cars past is that by the time you get back on the road and up to speed you have anouther lot of cars lined up behind so no win.

To me sitting with the flow of traffic and sitting on 100 is not as important as the following distance that should be observed.

Hope that made sence lol.

[steve_t]

Yes you missed something.

HMVs and cars towing trailers have a 4 kmh tolerance. Cars and bikes have a 10 kmh tolerance, apart from outside schools, long weekends etc, when it drops to 4 kmh.

HMVs and cars towing trailers have a greater issue with stopping distances, which is why the tolerance is lower permanently.

Yeah, its all about revenue collecting blah blah blah.

Oh, sweet. Thanks

[steve_t]

See this is what gets me.
The speed limit is "supposed" to be with saftey in mind but i tow a trailor a bit on the road and i do sit on 100 or a fraction more as i know my speedo reads low if im in traffic and can stay with the flow at that speed BUT i make sure i have a gap in front of me big enough to react to situations.
To me staying with the flow of traffic is safer than sitting on 90 and having traffic build up behind then taking risks passing in places that are unbelivable.

Before i get roasted for traffic behind me and i should pull over and let them pass well i do now as im not a fuckwit that speeds up on a passing lane like i also see but actualy slow down to let any cars behind get passed.

The other issue with pulling over to let cars past is that by the time you get back on the road and up to speed you have anouther lot of cars lined up behind so no win.

To me sitting with the flow of traffic and sitting on 100 is not as important as the following distance that should be observed.

Hope that made sence lol.

The problem is that you're in the minority of conscientious drivers

[swbarnett]

You think being scrutinised is abhorrent (I do like that word anyway it's spelled) but you are on the internet.

What I find abhorrent is not the scrutiny itself if done in the right context but the thought that I should just lie back and accept without question any and all scrutiny some self-appointed busy-body imposes on me.

I hate being scrutinised (this is why KB is the one and only bit of social internet I'm part of) but I do recognise that a certain amount of it can't be avoided. What worries me is where this is inevitably headed if we don't stop it expanding.

I bet you have a credit card and an EFTpos card.
You do know that they track your every purchase?

I know they track every transaction. If I knew a way to avoid this (short of living of the grid) I would.

If it saves mine then it is worth it.

If the cost leads to the economic and social ruination of society you may think differently. Sure, you may still be breathing, but if you're living in a gutter getting every meal, when you get one at all, out of a fettered sewer are you really alive? Would you want to be?

[swbarnett]

The problem is that you're in the minority of conscientious drivers

Which is why the blanket enforcement of an arbitrary limit doesn't work. There is no concept of treating every case on its merits. Most of the time the enforcing body doesn't even know what the merits of a given case are.

[Coldrider]

Meh, you need to get out more. Venture thru Western Europe, cameras everyfrickinwhere, armed Police and most sizeable public facilities you go into bags get searched and you step thru a metal detector as though you're about to board a plane.

The illusion of safety is quite an inconvenience to Joe Public, but oh heck, if it keeps most whackos at bay...all fine by me

waha wha wah, i am still waiting to be detaxed by a speed camera.

[BoristheBiter]

What I find abhorrent is not the scrutiny itself if done in the right context but the thought that I should just lie back and accept without question any and all scrutiny some self-appointed busy-body imposes on me.

I hate being scrutinised (this is why KB is the one and only bit of social internet I'm part of) but I do recognise that a certain amount of it can't be avoided. What worries me is where this is inevitably headed if we don't stop it expanding.


I know they track every transaction. If I knew a way to avoid this (short of living of the grid) I would.


If the cost leads to the economic and social ruination of society you may think differently. Sure, you may still be breathing, but if you're living in a gutter getting every meal, when you get one at all, out of a fettered sewer are you really alive? Would you want to be?

So please do tell how getting the licence plate checked on your car would lead to this?
And not some tinfoil hat answer, one that has some actual facts as these are all over London and the UK and I haven't seen any of what you suggest will happen.

[davereid]

I really do need to get down to the Horowhenua much more often.

If you find any interesting teenage girls let me know...

[FJRider]

There is no concept of treating every case on its merits. Most of the time the enforcing body doesn't even know what the merits of a given case are.

There is actually ... and written into legislation too ..

It is up to the discretion of the officer at the time of any infringement to decide if further action ... by way of an infringement notice ... is taken. This is often based solely on the attitude of the stopped motorist ..... and often takes precedence over the perceived seriousness of the offence by the officer.

Not all officers strictly enforce the speed limits ... and it would be wrong to suggest ... ALL do.

[swbarnett]

So please do tell how getting the licence plate checked on your car would lead to this?

I take it you understand the principle of the boiling frog? If not have a read of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

APNR is just another step along the way. Another degree towards "boiling point".

The pervading ideal in the modern western world seems to be one of "eliminate all forms of human suffering no matter the cost". Even if I were to accept that this is a laudable goal, and indeed achievable, the cost would be so high as to be unbearable.

It would involve massive amounts of both Government and private spending on crime prevention, law enforcement, healthcare and medical research. Not to mention the compliance cost to businesses and private individuals.

Everyone would have to spy on their neighbour, or indeed their immediate family, for the first hint of any wrong-doing. This would remove all trust between people and a lot of innocent people are caught up in the paranoia of others. There is a thread on KB at the moment talking about how easy it is for parents hugging their kids in public to be labelled as child molesters.

And not some tinfoil hat answer, one that has some actual facts as these are all over London and the UK and I haven't seen any of what you suggest will happen.

It may not be immediately visible but the cost is there. The one and only time I was in London I swore I would never live there as it was just too unfriendly for words. All the pedestrians seemed to be wearing blinkers. Eye contact was a strict no-no.

[swbarnett]

There is actually ... and written into legislation too ..

It is up to the discretion of the officer at the time of any infringement to decide if further action ... by way of an infringement notice ... is taken. This is often based solely on the attitude of the stopped motorist ..... and often takes precedence over the perceived seriousness of the offence by the officer.

Not all officers strictly enforce the speed limits ... and it would be wrong to suggest ... ALL do.

You're talking about face-to-face encounters. On that score I agree with you and have been the benefactor of that discretion on more than one occasion.

A speed camera, on the other hand, cannot exercise discretion. It does not know how you drive. It does not know the weather conditions, the traffic level, etc...

[Swoop]

So, how does the ANPR camera perform when a Sidi boot is over the plate?