Another two-year-old toddler beaten to death

[azzanuts]

Nah im in the right place, wots the matter little boy can you not read what bike I ride. HONDA and proud of it. Oh and its only tricycle talk at the mo cos I dont want your mum to fall of the back, I cant afford a bull dozer to move her outta the way of on coming traffic.

Aren't you in the wrong thread with your tricycle talk?
What do you ride again???

Dragbike. Lolz

[schrodingers cat]

No, I'm in the right place, whats the matter little boy? Can you not read what I ride? COCK and proud of it. Oh and its only tricycle talk at the moment because I don't want your mum to fall of the back. I cant afford a bulldozer to move her out of the way of on-coming traffic.

Fixed that for you. No, really, it was no problem.

Signed, Gilbert Grape

[azzanuts]

LOL it wasnt broken moron, but thanks none the less for your lame retarded effort just cos I have manners tho ok. Im just going to put your mums glass eye back in as I have just finished skull fucking the bitch.

Fixed that for you. No, really, it was no problem.

Signed, Gilbert Grape

[Banditbandit]

Nah im in the right place, wots the matter little boy can you not read what bike I ride. HONDA and proud of it. Oh and its only tricycle talk at the mo cos I dont want your mum to fall of the back, I cant afford a bull dozer to move her outta the way of on coming traffic.

LOL it wasnt broken moron, but thanks none the less for your lame retarded effort just cos I have manners tho ok. Im just going to put your mums glass eye back in as I have just finished skull fucking the bitch.

[Edbear]

Sad how such a serious matter has been taken so far off topic and degenerated into a slanging match, but that is the way of some on KB.

The poor wee kid suffered a death that no sane person would wish upon any child and it is a reflection upon our society that this is so common. Everyone here abhors the act of so callous an individual and we should be reflecting on what we can possibly do, realistically, to help these poor kids born into such situations.

[Drew]

Sad how such a serious matter has been taken so far off topic and degenerated into a slanging match, but that is the way of some on KB.

The poor wee kid suffered a death that no sane person would wish upon any child and it is a reflection upon our society that this is so common. Everyone here abhors the act of so callous an individual and we should be reflecting on what we can possibly do, realistically, to help these poor kids born into such situations.

Either start doing something about it yourself, and we'll get behind it if it's a good idea that'll get results.

Or hang around to be slagged...bitch.

[Akzle]

reflecting on what we can possibly do, realistically, to help these poor kids born into such situations.

dunno..
vote national, they're gonna get tough on it, and with plenty of cops out there to enforce the policy....

o. wait on....

you've got a problem ed. that problem is that you think these kids are born "into such situations", from your supremely white god-fearin point of view, i can only assume you to mean "such black situations" in which case you and smokey can get together, label it someone elses problem and start a witch hunt.

what needs to happen *in the real world* is a massive culture, attitude, governance, mentality shift. from "taking" to "giving" from "me" to "we".
the problem about "society" is that there isn't any. if you ask any ten men what their goals are, you'll probably get 15 answers.

if we start with the child, and, lets just hypothetically ascribe every child the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, then we need to build our SOCIETY in such a way as to achieve that. the current one isn't.


shuttup. go to work. pay your tax. your registration. your license. beg permission from the system for the miserable existence you call life. keep it going. for the kids

[Edbear]

dunno..
vote national, they're gonna get tough on it, and with plenty of cops out there to enforce the policy....

o. wait on....

you've got a problem ed. that problem is that you think these kids are born "into such situations", from your supremely white god-fearin point of view, i can only assume you to mean "such black situations" in which case you and smokey can get together, label it someone elses problem and start a witch hunt.

what needs to happen *in the real world* is a massive culture, attitude, governance, mentality shift. from "taking" to "giving" from "me" to "we".
the problem about "society" is that there isn't any. if you ask any ten men what their goals are, you'll probably get 15 answers.

if we start with the child, and, lets just hypothetically ascribe every child the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, then we need to build our SOCIETY in such a way as to achieve that. the current one isn't.


shuttup. go to work. pay your tax. your registration. your license. beg permission from the system for the miserable existence you call life. keep it going. for the kids

These kids are born into these situations, what other way is there?

You tend to make a lot of assumptions without any basis in either logic or fact. No wonder you are so screwed up.

[Edbear]

Either start doing something about it yourself, and we'll get behind it if it's a good idea that'll get results.

Or hang around to be slagged...bitch.

You mean like his nibs above?

He makes a factual point about society not being geared to protect children as it should be. All we can do is encourage neighbourliness and not blocking our ears to what goes on.

[mashman]

These kids are born into these situations, what other way is there?

You tend to make a lot of assumptions without any basis in either logic or fact. No wonder you are so screwed up.

There are other ways. Although that seems to depend on the amount of $$$ available to people in general. You can't be a vigilant neighbour if you're at work now can ya.

[Edbear]

There are other ways. Although that seems to depend on the amount of $$$ available to people in general. You can't be a vigilant neighbour if you're at work now can ya.

Most neighbours know what's going on and there are few reasons nothing is said or done. Fear of retaliation is probably the first reason but also common is a reluctance to get involved with Govt agencies due to a lack of confidence and trust in them.

I know personally, cases of abuse where the Police and the relevant Govt. agency acted entirely appropriately and handled the situation very well with empathy and discretion.

[mashman]

Most neighbours know what's going on and there are few reasons nothing is said or done. Fear of retaliation is probably the first reason but also common is a reluctance to get involved with Govt agencies due to a lack of confidence and trust in them.

I know personally, cases of abuse where the Police and the relevant Govt. agency acted entirely appropriately and handled the situation very well with empathy and discretion.

I have no doubts that there are plenty of reasons for people not interfering... and you're right that the trust just isn't there for pretty much all of those scenarios. This is where I agree with Akzle. It's going to take a shift in how we think to address these issues. To a degree the mob rule of the community (not violent mod rule though) should be sufficient to address the issue. Whilst that is will be seen as idyllic, it is something that once used to happen. Do you remember when the streets where abuzz with people chatting over the fence and kids playing in the street? The key was always the kids. We'd knock on our mates door and beg (put pressure) on his dad to let him out. Our parents knew that the father was old school, worked hard, enjoyed a drink and didn't need the hassle of wondering where his kids were. But it was us kids that got him out of the house, not the adults. There are many reasons for that not happening anymore and similar to the reasons that adults don't get involved. But if you laid your hands on another person's kids, you had the adults of the street to deal with. As you say, the trust is gone, but it'll return given the right circumstances.

We probably all know of cases where the authorities have done what we expect of them, but there are also instances where they haven't. Probably not through any real fault of their own, but the authorities can't, and shouldn't have to do everything. It takes a village to raise a kid, but the village has to know the kid first before it can have an affect. We need to move back towards having people in the streets chatting over the fence and that ain't gonna happen where they all have to put most of their energy into working hard to earn crust to provide for the kids.

[Akzle]

You mean like his nibs above?

He makes a factual point about society not being geared to protect children as it should be. All we can do is encourage neighbourliness and not blocking our ears to what goes on.

These kids are born into these situations, what other way is there?

You tend to make a lot of assumptions without any basis in either logic or fact. No wonder you are so screwed up.

1: what other way is there?
2: "all we can do is encourage..."

no son. it might be all YOU do, it's not all we CAN do.

society being geared to protect children?!?

what should they need protecting from?! they need to learn that the oven is hot and that gravity works every day of the week. the rest they can fairly safely work out for themselves. society shouldn't just be "protecting" children, it should be making people. i don't mean making citizens (perpetuating the cycle). i mean making well rounded, thinking individuals with a desire to improve shit.

these kids are born not into "these sitations" they're born into your society.
your move.

((and you call me screwed up ))

[Edbear]

1: what other way is there?
2: "all we can do is encourage..."

no son. it might be all YOU do, it's not all we CAN do.

society being geared to protect children?!?

what should they need protecting from?! they need to learn that the oven is hot and that gravity works every day of the week. the rest they can fairly safely work out for themselves. society shouldn't just be "protecting" children, it should be making people. i don't mean making citizens (perpetuating the cycle). i mean making well rounded, thinking individuals with a desire to improve shit.

these kids are born not into "these sitations" they're born into your society.
your move.

((and you call me screwed up ))

Like many who get it all screwed up and backwards you talk in terms of what "should be" and in ideals, ignoring the reality in front of your eyes. JJ was born into a situation that does in fact exist whether you want it to or not. The creep that killed him also actually exists. Society as we know it is a fact of life that we are subject to whether we want to delude ourselves otherwise or not.

But if it makes you feel better or superior carry on..

[Akzle]

you talk in terms of what "should be" and in ideals,
...ignoring the reality in front of your eyes. ...does in fact exist

so while everyone bemoans the society that really does exist, who's trying to make it something better?
infact, who, with this reality in front of their eyes (and as part of their society), is doing any more than moaning??
this one is already last month's news..."(oh but did you hear about the royals vist? WHO GIVE A FUCK?)
i don't know if the TAB are taking bets on how long it'll be before the next one...
wanna gamble, ed? i give it two months.

so you've got two months of reality to live ed. you've got two months to sort out your politicians, sort out your society, to prove me wrong, two months to save a kid's life...


it's no fucking ideal. my kids' wellbeing is highly ranking in my priorities. so too any other kids i encounter. all my tin foil hat preaching and moaning is with a view to changing society, to say nothing of what i do in reality.
plenty of people oppose it, their loss. plenty of people would rather keep their head down and moo than risk the government's stock-whips. that aint a fucking society. that's a fucking mess.

am i superior? probably. do i enjoy life more? definately! am i concerned about the economy: absolutely not. do i piss and moan about a child being beten to death in a society i'm not part of? no. do i want that society to change, so as not for more children beaten to death? yes.


...two months.