Weed legalised in 2 USA states

**skippa1** · 14th November 2012, 11:24

Originally Posted by scissorhands

Lack of empathy? meh....

why should I feel empathy for you in regard to smoking weed. I dont see any persecution except from your own family, and as you have already pointed out, they are fucked up. I feel empathy for you for having a fucked up family, but thats not what this is about ......aye.

**007XX** · 14th November 2012, 11:31

Originally Posted by skippa1

Thats weak. As an employer, I am required by law to keep my staff safe from harm. If they are involved in an incident or accident, they may be drug and alchohol tested and I may be prosecuted if they are found to be impaired. Flip it the other way, one of my drivers is loaded up and driving 44 tonne rig down the road, he had a quick toke before work. He looses concentration for a moment, looks up to see your wife/girlfriends/kids faces disappearing below his bumper. Are you happy if I havent ensured he is fit for work? Are you happy if the law hasnt ensured that I test him as they didnt want weed smokers to feel persecuted? What about if he was hung over instead of stoned? (Itest for both and have a breathalyser they must use if I have reasonable doubt)

That is a very valid point to be fair.

And this is truly the Achille's heel of any defensive stance on drug use: how to guarantee that people will use it responsibly.

PS: please note that within the term of drug, I encompass over-the-counter meds, alcohol, weed, etc

**SMOKEU** · 14th November 2012, 11:38

Originally Posted by skippa1

Thats weak. As an employer, I am required by law to keep my staff safe from harm. If they are involved in an incident or accident, they may be drug and alchohol tested and I may be prosecuted if they are found to be impaired. Flip it the other way, one of my drivers is loaded up and driving 44 tonne rig down the road, he had a quick toke before work. He looses concentration for a moment, looks up to see your wife/girlfriends/kids faces disappearing below his bumper. Are you happy if I havent ensured he is fit for work? Are you happy if the law hasnt ensured that I test him as they didnt want weed smokers to feel persecuted? What about if he was hung over instead of stoned? (Itest for both and have a breathalyser they must use if I have reasonable doubt)

Seshing up on the job is no worse than someone showing up to work with a severe lack of sleep or a hangover.

**skippa1** · 14th November 2012, 11:46

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

Seshing up on the job is no worse than someone showing up to work with a severe lack of sleep or a hangover.

That is also weak. Trying to compare three bad behaviours is no justification for being impaired at work, no matter the reason or cause of impairment. I said that I breath test and that includes those that are hung over, smell of alchohol, talk about their big night. Day after pay day is the biggy. And lack of sleep is pretty evident too (although these days most people dont even bother to turn up if they are tired, they dont notify you either)

**007XX** · 14th November 2012, 11:47

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

Seshing up on the job is no worse than someone showing up to work with a severe lack of sleep or a hangover.

Doesn't diminish the extent of the employer's responsibility towards ensuring his employees are fit to carry out the work safely.

I understand that the point you are trying to make is that if lacking in sleep or hangovered, you only get sent home. However, if found to have had a smoke, you get fired.

But give enough reccurences of the no sleep / hangovered scenario, and you will get fired too. Its just a more complicated process on the employer's part.

So I think it's a moot point in all honesty.

**SMOKEU** · 14th November 2012, 11:48

Originally Posted by skippa1

That is also weak. Trying to compare three bad behaviours is no justification for being impaired at work, no matter the reason or cause of impairment. I said that I breath test and that includes those that are hung over, smell of alchohol, talk about their big night. Day after pay day is the biggy. And lack of sleep is pretty evident too (although these days most people dont even bother to turn up if they are tired, they dont notify you either)

Where exactly then do you "draw the line" at impairment? What if someone is sick, maybe with a cold or flu. How would you treat that?

**scissorhands** · 14th November 2012, 11:50

Originally Posted by skippa1

why should I feel empathy for you in regard to smoking weed. I dont see any persecution except from your own family, and as you have already pointed out, they are fucked up. I feel empathy for you for having a fucked up family, but thats not what this is about ......aye.

I think it is. Many users come from less than ideal parentings, undiagnosed disorders, hidden disabilities, abusive upbringings.
If you really did have empthy for similar others and me and my fucked up family[thanks dick face] you would understand this

I maintain the claim. No empathy. Also no logic. Your arguements are so full of holes its laughable, and an ongoing example of other KB members constantly correcting all your written fallacies and dishonest reasonings and corrupted logic

**SMOKEU** · 14th November 2012, 11:56

Originally Posted by scissorhands

I think it is. Many users come from less than ideal parentings, undiagnosed disorders, hidden disabilities, abusive upbringings.
If you really did have empthy for similar others and me and my fucked up family[thanks dick face

] you would understand this

I'm sure than many people from abusive homes also wear jeans and drive Toyotas.

**skippa1** · 14th November 2012, 12:03

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

Where exactly then do you "draw the line" at impairment? What if someone is sick, maybe with a cold or flu. How would you treat that?

You have to draw the line with what we can measure and test for first and foremost, then you can apply common sense and reasoning to sickness, and I have sent many to the doctor at my expense to get a professional opinion. Having said that, I will send home sick people, if for no other reason than the fact that they can bring down the whole team with a sickness.

**skippa1** · 14th November 2012, 12:12

Originally Posted by scissorhands

I think it is. Many users come from less than ideal parentings, undiagnosed disorders, hidden disabilities, abusive upbringings.
If you really did have empthy for similar others and me and my fucked up family[thanks dick face] you would understand this

I maintain the claim. No empathy. Also no logic. Your arguements are so full of holes its laughable, and an ongoing example of other KB members constantly correcting all your written fallacies and dishonest reasonings and corrupted logic

thanks dick face

I only quoted you. You said it in a public forum.

I maintain the claim. No empathy. Also no logic. Your arguements are so full of holes its laughable, and an ongoing example of other KB members constantly correcting all your written fallacies and dishonest reasonings and corrupted logic

I feel empathy for those that have been honest in their protestations, however you have not pointed out the fact around a claim of social persecution. As previously stated, I have empathy for you and your family issues, but I dont see that lasting

**scissorhands** · 14th November 2012, 12:26

You put the boot in first, I replied in kind.

I dont feel any need to justify myself or jump on command for you.

As already said, if you cant figure out relevant social persecution = no empathy

**skippa1** · 14th November 2012, 12:30

Originally Posted by scissorhands

You put the boot in first, I replied in kind.

I dont feel any need to justify myself or jump on command for you.

As already said, if you cant figure out relevant social persecution = no empathy

= no substance

**Usarka** · 14th November 2012, 12:34

Originally Posted by skippa1

Thats weak. As an employer, I am required by law to keep my staff safe from harm. If they are involved in an incident or accident, they may be drug and alchohol tested and I may be prosecuted if they are found to be impaired. Flip it the other way, one of my drivers is loaded up and driving 44 tonne rig down the road, he had a quick toke before work. He looses concentration for a moment, looks up to see your wife/girlfriends/kids faces disappearing below his bumper. Are you happy if I havent ensured he is fit for work? Are you happy if the law hasnt ensured that I test him as they didnt want weed smokers to feel persecuted? What about if he was hung over instead of stoned? (Itest for both and have a breathalyser they must use if I have reasonable doubt)

You're agro bro - you should smoke some weed.