Another two-year-old toddler beaten to death

[PrincessBandit]

Wow, it's fascinating to see how this thread has developed.
While we're at it (being rather off-topic), my experiences of Plunket were great. It doesn't take much brain power to work out that in every profession there are wonderful people who work compassionately and common-sensibly (I think that's a word) and those who you just have to ask yourself what the heck they're doing in that particular profession.
Babies don't ask to be born, and they don't choose the environment into which they're born. The parents might not have necessarily chosen it either; I'm sure there are countless parents who would have preferred much nicer conditions to raise their offspring in. But there are many many good people who despite their difficult conditions still do the very best they can to bring their kids up in a safe, loving environment; sadly there are just as many who use their situation to make excuses for poor parenting where the victims end up being the ones who are simply incapable of saving themselves from it.

[frogfeaturesFZR]

Wow, it's fascinating to see how this thread has developed.
While we're at it (being rather off-topic), my experiences of Plunket were great. It doesn't take much brain power to work out that in every profession there are wonderful people who work compassionately and common-sensibly (I think that's a word) and those who you just have to ask yourself what the heck they're doing in that particular profession.
Babies don't ask to be born, and they don't choose the environment into which they're born. The parents might not have necessarily chosen it either; I'm sure there are countless parents who would have preferred much nicer conditions to raise their offspring in. But there are many many good people who despite their difficult conditions still do the very best they can to bring their kids up in a safe, loving environment; sadly there are just as many who use their situation to make excuses for poor parenting where the victims end up being the ones who are simply incapable of saving themselves from it.

Well said

[Edbear]

so while everyone bemoans the society that really does exist, who's trying to make it something better?
infact, who, with this reality in front of their eyes (and as part of their society), is doing any more than moaning??
this one is already last month's news..."(oh but did you hear about the royals vist? WHO GIVE A FUCK?)
i don't know if the TAB are taking bets on how long it'll be before the next one...
wanna gamble, ed? i give it two months.

so you've got two months of reality to live ed. you've got two months to sort out your politicians, sort out your society, to prove me wrong, two months to save a kid's life...


it's no fucking ideal. my kids' wellbeing is highly ranking in my priorities. so too any other kids i encounter. all my tin foil hat preaching and moaning is with a view to changing society, to say nothing of what i do in reality.
plenty of people oppose it, their loss. plenty of people would rather keep their head down and moo than risk the government's stock-whips. that aint a fucking society. that's a fucking mess.

am i superior? probably. do i enjoy life more? definately! am i concerned about the economy: absolutely not. do i piss and moan about a child being beten to death in a society i'm not part of? no. do i want that society to change, so as not for more children beaten to death? yes.


...two months.

Sadly it may well be sooner. Society is made up of people, many good, many bad and many in between. You change society by changing people's attitudes, and that gets to the heart of it. Government can merely legislate to try to control situations but that in itself is not enough to change people's hearts.

It is impractical, as you well know, for anyone to run around everywhere poking their nose into people's homes and intervening.

If you truly care about your children you have to have compassion and empathy, these qualities are inherent in loving parents, so you must also feel thus about others' children suffering?

We do what we can, and you don't know me or what I contribute to society, few on here do, (some think they do), but I am not one who stands back and wrings their hands but does nothing. However, as I said, unless you can change people from the inside, "society" will ever remain as it is and continue to get worse as it is.

Wow, it's fascinating to see how this thread has developed.
While we're at it (being rather off-topic), my experiences of Plunket were great. It doesn't take much brain power to work out that in every profession there are wonderful people who work compassionately and common-sensibly (I think that's a word) and those who you just have to ask yourself what the heck they're doing in that particular profession.
Babies don't ask to be born, and they don't choose the environment into which they're born. The parents might not have necessarily chosen it either; I'm sure there are countless parents who would have preferred much nicer conditions to raise their offspring in. But there are many many good people who despite their difficult conditions still do the very best they can to bring their kids up in a safe, loving environment; sadly there are just as many who use their situation to make excuses for poor parenting where the victims end up being the ones who are simply incapable of saving themselves from it.

As he said above, "Well said!"

[Genestho]

Wow, it's fascinating to see how this thread has developed.
While we're at it (being rather off-topic), my experiences of Plunket were great. It doesn't take much brain power to work out that in every profession there are wonderful people who work compassionately and common-sensibly (I think that's a word) and those who you just have to ask yourself what the heck they're doing in that particular profession.
Babies don't ask to be born, and they don't choose the environment into which they're born. The parents might not have necessarily chosen it either; I'm sure there are countless parents who would have preferred much nicer conditions to raise their offspring in. But there are many many good people who despite their difficult conditions still do the very best they can to bring their kids up in a safe, loving environment; sadly there are just as many who use their situation to make excuses for poor parenting where the victims end up being the ones who are simply incapable of saving themselves from it.

Well said. I too had a great experience with Plunket with both of my babies and then when I really really needed help they were there again.

I joined the committee when number one was born, which really was about networking, supporting each other (there was one lady with severe post natal depression and needed help) and fundraising, bit flippin annoying when the local treasurer stole $155.000, though!!

I couldn't agree with your statement more.

I have girlfriends who are solo mum's of no choice of their own, previously married whose men have up and left, leaving them as almost sole carer providing a loving and safe environment on one income, yet it seems - some couples that are killing their kids, wouldn't even know what that is.

Is a change in acceptance and thinking required? (I don't know, idealist? Just throwing it out there..)
I don't know what the answer is, wish I did.

[GTRMAN]

A High Court jury in Auckland has found Joel Loffley guilty of toddler JJ Lawrence's murder one year after the toddler's brutal death.

little comfort for JJ though...

So a question, should the mother be held accountable in any way?

[scumdog]

A High Court jury in Auckland has found Joel Loffley guilty of toddler JJ Lawrence's murder one year after the toddler's brutal death.

little comfort for JJ though...

So a question, should the mother be held accountable in any way?

At least the lying turd has been proved to be what he is: a lying bullying turd and waste of oxygen.

I await the punishment with trepidation though...

[Drew]

A High Court jury in Auckland has found Joel Loffley guilty of toddler JJ Lawrence's murder one year after the toddler's brutal death.

little comfort for JJ though...

So a question, should the mother be held accountable in any way?

Can...Open. Worms...EVERYWHERE!

If she knew that the guy was abusive to her son, (and I it's impossible that she didn't), then I believe she should be charged as an accessory.

I make no apology for a hard stance, because I am literally getting 'glassy eyed' thinking about the little bugger that died.

She is completely to blame, for putting her son in harms way. If she doesn't kill herself, she is morally bankrupt in my book!

[awa355]

Justice is half done.

[Laava]

Interesting that it is murder at this stage. No doubt it will be reduced to manslaughter on appeal.

[GTRMAN]

Can...Open. Worms...EVERYWHERE!

If she knew that the guy was abusive to her son, (and I it's impossible that she didn't), then I believe she should be charged as an accessory.

I make no apology for a hard stance, because I am literally getting 'glassy eyed' thinking about the little bugger that died.

She is completely to blame, for putting her son in harms way. If she doesn't kill herself, she is morally bankrupt in my book!

I think you and I agree Drew...... I'm scared.

[MIXONE]

At least the lying turd has been proved to be what he is: a lying bullying turd and waste of oxygen.

I await the punishment with trepidation though...

Life with a minimum of 14 years I reckon.Hopefully some inmate will change that to life...

[FJRider]

At least the lying turd has been proved to be what he is: a lying bullying turd and waste of oxygen.

I await the punishment with trepidation though...

The "General Population" will be waiting too ...

[Road kill]

I want NZ to bring back the death penalty.

I don't care how angry a guy get's,because some of us just do an know the feelings.

But anybody can control their actions even then,so hitting a kid like that was a chosen act as far as I'm concerned.

Bring back the Reaper.

[Drew]

I want NZ to bring back the death penalty.

I don't care how angry a guy get's,because some of us just do an know the feelings.

But anybody can control their actions even then,so hitting a kid like that was a chosen act as far as I'm concerned.

Bring back the Reaper.

This has been covered at length earlier in the thread.

[Akzle]

glad all the KB keyboard heros are fully appraised of the facts of the matter and thus able to deem the man guilty. shit. maybe you should all sign up to be cops...