Youths ignore elderly man's pleas during home invasion

**Road kill** · 26th October 2012, 21:30

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

Very often these types of crimes are indicative of the state of society. Please note I’m not apologizing for these pricks or blaming society in any way shape or form BUT recent changes in the way we live are a factor.

In the past – there were more jobs for ordinary folks that didn’t require an advanced degree or even school certificate. If you were lucky you could even pick up an apprenticeship etc. Entering the workforce at 15 or 16 was not uncommon. In cases where these sad fucks had no decent male role models they would suddenly be in a work environment where they were at the bottom of the pecking order with a whole range of adults that they would normally ever associate with and were forced to interact with them.

There were reasons why the new kid got to make the tea etc (I still remember taking the orders for morning tea etc). Often you learnt a bit about respect and getting on with others even though you were not related or even liked by them. You learnt what it took to function as an adult. When I started work there were still guys working that had fought in WW2 and Korea – you were exposed to a lot of lived life experience.
These kids have probably never had a functional relationship with anyone other than family and school. If the family is dysfunctional and school gave up on them (fair enough – limited time and too many other kids) they may be 18 or so but they function worse than 14 year olds of the 1960’s and 1970’s. In some cases I’d argue that they are crippled for life and become unemployable.

Modern economics and free trade have moved these jobs offshore to places where wages are low but we are paying a terrible cost for the opportunity to purchase cheap crap. In some cases we are paying with our lives…

Now this isn’t an excuse for these wankers but rather an explanation of what may have gone wrong and the lack of empathy.

That's why I live like I do,I try not to add to the problem but I live now just like everybody else so can't really avoid it.

We are seeing a growing much larger under class simply due to how humans seem to evolve as society and where we are on the current curve.

We're not the first aye.

1973 was the best year that ever was,but the change since then has been crazy and I'm beginning to see why some old people I've known didn't fear death.

When I retire in 10 years I'll put steel shutters on my windows and keep a gun an many loud dogs handy,until then we carry on as usual an hope it doesn't happen to us.

**GrayWolf** · 26th October 2012, 22:32

Originally Posted by unstuck

Scumbags, really hope these little wannabe gangsters get caught. Boy are they gonna get a hiding down at the nick, good fucking job too.

Sadly then you'll have the likes of Akzle, Bandit etc who are bleating on in the mataki thread; complaining about Police brutality, and how much like a gang they acted,,, personally? Would love to see them get the 'treatment' my local nick had in the UK for loudmouths and the likes of these... rolled into a very large/long mat with arms above head............ did'nt leave a bruise anywhere!!!!

**ducatilover** · 26th October 2012, 23:25

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

The gun shop turkey who shot the robber holding a gun was NOT prosecuted for shooting the robber .. he was prosecuted because when he was asked why he had a gun he said "self defence" .. Now that is a totally illegal reason for having a gun .. you can have a gun for sport (target - hunting) and incidentally use it to shoot the robber ... you can have a gun for a collection (and incidentally use it to shoot a robber ...) But the one reason you can not have a gun in GodZOne is for self defence.

To be fair that's a little bit fucked, unless he had the wrong licence for the weapon (was a hand gun wasn't it?)
He's a gun dealer, of course he owns a gun...

I do hope these little pricks do get dealt to though, behaving like such is purely disgusting and unacceptable

Right, I have a loom to finish.

**Banditbandit** · 29th October 2012, 10:59

Originally Posted by Coolz

I would leave that decision to my 200lb rotweiller

There's a good chance a 200lb rotty is so fat it doesn't make decisions .. it just rolls around in the sun ... what the fuck are you doing with an overweight guard dog?

**Banditbandit** · 29th October 2012, 11:04

Originally Posted by GrayWolf

Sadly then you'll have the likes of Akzle, Bandit etc who are bleating on in the mataki thread; complaining about Police brutality, and how much like a gang they acted,,,

Bwhahaha .. I love being called a bleeding heart ... you bunch of fucktards have no idea ...

personally? Would love to see them get the 'treatment' my local nick had in the UK for loudmouths and the likes of these... rolled into a very large/long mat with arms above head............ did'nt leave a bruise anywhere!!!!

So a bunch of people all wearing a uniform wrap a person in a large mat .. roll them around in pain for a while ... and get charged with assault. Another group of people do exactly the same thing and do not get charged ... (One is a gang, the other police ... )

Can't you see, just from that small demonstration, why some of us think you are a bunch of fucktards ????

**Banditbandit** · 29th October 2012, 11:06

Originally Posted by ducatilover

To be fair that's a little bit fucked, unless he had the wrong licence for the weapon (was a hand gun wasn't it?)
He's a gun dealer, of course he owns a gun...

Yeah. The problem was not the licence, or the gun, or what he did with it . The problem was that when he was asked why he had that gun (the one used to shoot the robber) he said: "Self-defence." WRONG ANSWER - He convicted himself out of hsi own mouth ...

**GTRMAN** · 29th October 2012, 14:25

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7874452/Two-arrested-over-Wainuiomata-home-invasion

**Paul in NZ** · 29th October 2012, 14:37

Yeah I read that. 18 and 14 ffs.... 14..... His life is rooted before it started but good on the community. Someone dobbed him in and good job too... He had to be stopped.

**geoffm** · 30th October 2012, 19:27

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

Yeah I read that. 18 and 14 ffs.... 14..... His life is rooted before it started but good on the community. Someone dobbed him in and good job too... He had to be stopped.

At 14, he won't have any consequences - at most a family group conference (woo - not like his feral parents will care), and he will get name suppression anyway. Probably the 18yo won't get much more, and if they are related, he will get name suppression to protect the younger scum. Anyone want to take a bet that this won't be the last time these 2 are in trouble with the law?
Let me run the country, and none of this stuff will happen more than once.
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**Coolz** · 30th October 2012, 19:44

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

There's a good chance a 200lb rotty is so fat it doesn't make decisions .. it just rolls around in the sun ... what the fuck are you doing with an overweight guard dog?

Would you believe a 100lb shepherd with eyes as large as saucers ?

**Banditbandit** · 31st October 2012, 09:16

Originally Posted by Coolz

Would you believe a 100lb shepherd with eyes as large as saucers ?

Or one with eyes as big as windmills guarding the gold?

**mashman** · 18th November 2012, 18:13

Poor man. It must have been horrendous to have had to have lived with that sort of fear. R.I.P

"His son Paul, 49, told media the attack had caused his father stress and that the family had noticed a decline in his health since."

**caseye** · 18th November 2012, 19:27

Change the charge to Murder, hang the little barstards.

**98tls** · 18th November 2012, 20:21

Whats all the whinging for?You reap what you sow no point in complaining about it.Killing babies,bashing old folk blah blah blah its been going on for years why all the fuss now?.Did you really think it was going to get better