Rolling Jubilee - for Mashman, with love, Occupy Wall Street

[mashman]

mashy, really, i know you think your principle is worthy and would/should/could work, if we all gave up our worthy possesions and started sharing and living only on what we need.
however, this according to my experience is not going to work, as there will always be someone who would like to be king at the place of the king.
there will always be someone who will have no issue screwing over yer dear neighbourgh for a farting.

many books have been written about this phenomen and many revolutions have been had, heads have rolled and some got shot, in the end we are back to the system of the biggest one screws the weakest one. I think that was Darwin, also an old bugger.

So when I lend a friend some money, most of the time i do not expect it back, nor the sugar and eggs I give to the lady next door. But I sleep tight in the knowledge that should I need sugar and eggs and maybe a coin, my friend and the lady next door will be there to lend me a hand and a shirt if need be.
No interest charged.

In our current system it is not so much the lending that screws people, it is the usurious interest rates and other from of frivolous charges attached to a loan. This needs to be addressed first and foremost. IF a bank will only pay 1.25% interest on savings, and if a bank only pays 1 - 3 % interest on interbank loaning, how the hell can they justify 17% + interest charges on money the lend to their customers. And where is the governemtn to address this issue?

Peeps will need loans, they will need a car to go to work, heck some might even go in overdraft to pay 200$ monthly bus ticket to go to work. Why the heck should there be a 17% interest charge attached to that overdraft! That is what gets ordinary peeps in trouble.

And unless someone shows me a statistic that shows peeps only getting loans for boats, jewellery and a fake pair of tits, i believe firmly that loans for many is something they only got because they had too.

I exclude myself of that group, cuz i wanted beryl, and well I kind a need her too. but only really cuz i want her.

Why would you have to give up possessions? I'm not John Lennon ya know. I'm not advocating going backwards, just slowing down a bit, building things that last, building things that are upgradeable, doing what needs to be done for society and for fun, giving potential invention and innovation a go because it's useful and not a profit making thing. I agree that there will be those who want want want, but there are now and they'll do anything to get get get. It's not our generation that matters, it's the next generation and you can teach that to be exactly what you want it to be. How many kids know what a VHS is? Get the cash tae fook and they'll not miss it, et voila, one changed society in under 5 years, maybe even sooner. It's very doable.

Thems who have written books that say that it is unachievable are full of shit and are devoid of any form of vision. Perhaps they didn't take the time to research their chosen subject matter with human beings. Some people get it because they already understand it, some open minded people deny that it is possible and after a short time answering the questions grasp the concept and would happily sign up, some closed minded people dismiss the idea out of hand because they are inherently negative people, some people believe that they are better than most people, some people claim that human nature won;t allow it (my fave argument that has ultimate fail written all over it) etc... Not one can put up a valid argument for having a financial system that can't be blown out of the water in under 20 seconds. Seriously, try taking "my" position in a discussion and you'll be surprised how easy it is to convince anyone who displays any form of critical thinking that we can happily live without a financial system without sacrificing lifestyle. It doesn't take a great leap of the imagination, in fact it just takes an agreement. I'd like to see it discussed at a national level and voted on. Am I confident, oh fookin hell yeah. More are open to the idea than are not.

You coulda had your bike for free ya know .

[mashman]

Money is not the root of all evil ... the people that control the issue and cancellation of it "are"!

Not the people that do the work, the people who are controlling them ... the real 1%!

Removing money removes their power. Keep "money" in any format at all and they will stay exactly where they are.

[blue rider]

..........

You coulda had your bike for free ya know .

i know i know, ride it like ya stole it, trouble is i ride like a nana

[Akzle]

or they could retrain and do something useful for a change?

i like rockets.

some people believe that they are better than most people

ME ME ME ME ME ME. i am!

[mashman]

i like rockets.

Oh bloody hell alright then. Perhaps we could send a few to the moon and prepare the way for selling fresh air.

[cc rider]

I feel sick after reading all this wittle wighting... GIVE ME MONEY

[oldrider]

GIVE ME MONEY

Ask and ye shall receive! (when I grow up, I want to be a sugar daddy, sigh)

[mashman]

I feel sick after reading all this wittle wighting... GIVE ME MONEY

The small print will do that to ya every time