Kronic banned

[Hitcher]

So chemically concocted highs are o.k if "proven" safe by those making 'em, yet natural highs aint?
Why?
Well I 'spose you can tax it, without changing the status quo of the illegal highs which contribute gazillions to the black market economy of N.Z......so whats the fucking Govts problem! Fucking hypocritical I reckon.

Sigh. The issue here isn't whether the high is "chemical" or "natural". It's whether they are commercially available for sale. If marijuana was sold at retail as is that shit in tins, then you could fully expect to see its marketing exposed to a bit of rigour.

Unless of course one is a Green Party supporter.

[scumdog]

So chemically concocted highs are o.k if "proven" safe by those making 'em, yet natural highs aint?
Why?
Well I 'spose you can tax it, without changing the status quo of the illegal highs which contribute gazillions to the black market economy of N.Z......so whats the fucking Govts problem! Fucking hypocritical I reckon.

And I wonder if in ten years they'll find a plethora of retarded deformed kids created by the chemicals in the synthetic 'cannabis'.....

[blue rider]

For a product that is easily grown and replicated I can't see how patenting its genetics is going to be either enforceable or lucrative.

it is easily grown and replicated if you have access to seeds.

there is quite an interest in gm modified seeds, in seed control and availability on the market. Once the product is legal to buy and grow, there is quite some business to be made with gm modified seeds, royalties on certain strains, re-selling of seeds as the plants are modified in a way that they don't produce seeds etc.

Monsanto comes to mind, as one of the biggest retailers of gm modified seeds and pesticides for their seeds......lots of lawsuits against farmers that have been contaminated by cross pollination for using the Monsanto product without paying royalties etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto

http://coto2.wordpress.com/2010/10/2...ator-cannabis/

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1322.html

http://www.cannabis.info/UK/library/...contradictions scroll down: The Future

http://www.forbes.com/2003/10/29/cx_...cannabits.html - older article but quite good

http://montanabiotech.com/patent-tra...-and-services/


if it were only to taxing the product and tolerating it (no offense if the amount held and/or grown is for own use), and retail only in approved and controlled businesses, it could easily be done. But the larger issue is if the government is happy to leave this little cash crop in the hand of amateurs or if it will give it to big business for milking.

not holding my breath about any changes to the current system yet.

[Brian d marge]

All the stoners over here , won't go near the stuff, all say the same thing ,that there is something odd about that stuff, makes your heart go spastic etc
Glad its banned
Now if they need a poor dumb animal for alcohol testing, ,,,pick me....me ,,,me
I can do it :-)

Stephen

[puddytat]

Sigh. The issue here isn't whether the high is "chemical" or "natural". It's whether they are commercially available for sale. If marijuana was sold at retail as is that shit in tins, then you could fully expect to see its marketing exposed to a bit of rigour.

Unless of course one is a Green Party supporter.

Well sorry, its definitely an issue for me, that is, something made from stuff outta 44gallon drums or
something ala naturel.....a bit like the differance between hybridising & G.E meddling.
Surely there enough evidence out there showing that Dak is no worse than many perscription medicines....it just seems so two faced that so many Govts are all for some & not for others.
Yeah I support Green
I am also, a card carrying ,lapel pin wearing Green Party member.The best thing they ever did was to drop their crusade on that issue. Like the majority of "smokers" ,it has fark all to do with politics & more to do with the Law,& for me that is the rub.

[mashman]

All the stoners over here , won't go near the stuff, all say the same thing ,that there is something odd about that stuff, makes your heart go spastic etc
Glad its banned
Now if they need a poor dumb animal for alcohol testing, ,,,pick me....me ,,,me
I can do it :-)

Stephen

Alcohol kills.

[Madness]

Alcohol kills.

And causes brian d marge.

[mashman]

And causes brian d marge.

OH FUCK... we're shitted.

[ellipsis]

And aren't we still the clean, green New Zealand who protects nature?

...ahem...can you give me any empirical facts that relate to when we ever were...

[Road kill]

The wrong people make money from chronic because their in it for profit yet it's ok for doctors who already over prescribe all sorts of dangerous stuff to carry on rockin'.

The right people "the gov'ts mates" make money from booze yet it kills hundreds of people and destroys family and community every year.

The local cops where I live appear to not really care who makes the money from weed because their more than aware of who's who yet do nothing about it "maybe that's because pot heads are easier to deal with than piss heads and the cops know that if the boys can't score the good shit they head straight to the wholesalers instead,,,then it's a fun night for all.

Everybody including it's users know that Tabacco is really bad shit but the gov't is ham strung by it's own dirty dealings with big business so are reluctant to do anything real about it plus they kind of like the taxes they take in from it anyway.

I take pain killing drugs to help live with the nerve damage in my lower back an legs but those very drugs have a proven history of killing the long term user so I regularly substitute with weed which works far better anyway and won't eventually kill me,,,so I'm a criminal but the doctors that prescribe the legal people killing pain killers are not.

Little wonder so many people have so little respect for the laws when their so obviously about money rather than about people.

[scissorhands]

Prolly 50,000 kiwis tested the real thing [again] today
Money before people scum

[Road kill]

Because it has to be prescribed by a Dr. Prescribed medications can rweact with other meds and cause side effects/adverse health effects which a GP has your health records for. The ingredients were what made it so easy for it to be banned so quickly

Early this year my then doctor who had all my medical history prescribed to me a drug that almost killed me "in only two days"

I've since changed doctors and I'd advise anybody not to trust any doctor without a second opinion or some very serious consideration.

[Road kill]

Prolly 50,000 kiwis tested the real thing [again] today
Money before people scum

I wasn't one of them.

Two weeks ago I spent 5 days at "Stoney bay" at the top of Coromandel fishing from my Kayak and I shared a joint with one of the locals on the Wednesday night.

Then this Thursday I got to work to find I'd just won the monthly random drug test "8 days after.

So now I'm on two weeks stand down pending another test.

I don't have any worries that the next test will be clean but I'm losing two weeks holiday pay out of it.

My own doing but still pretty pissed,,,,guess scumdog can call me one of his losers now

[Spyke]

It's definitely a bad thing if done alot. I was smoking it heaps because i couldn't get much of the good stuff. nearly smoking it everyday and it ruined me, went psychotic for a while and have now been using anti psychotics for the last year and a half.

Have had a few mates with anxiety issues once they used it. k2 black made a mate completely lose reality (forgot he was human) for a hour or so.

whys it still on the shelves? it doesn't make sense to have something really harmful on the shelves when weed is still illegal.

Now I can't do drugs and its a blessing and a curse at the same time.

be careful using it

don't get me started on salvia, one of the most psychoactive drugs around and that's sold at dairys. I'd say that's worse than any other drug if you have a good trip which isn't usually a good trip if you know what i mean. people that do acid, mushies, cactus say they won't touch the stuff it's uncontrollable.

peace

[scissorhands]

now been using anti psychotics for the last year and a half.

Now I can't do drugs and its a blessing and a curse at the same time.

the anti-psychotic meds you take are a powerful drug with serious side effects too.... many herbal alternatives like kava tablets, vervain, lemon balm, cannabis, may be safer in the long run

I did some experimenting and found liver and cleansing herbs/products [milk thistle, dandelion etc] removed the metabolites from my body within a few days, but I only tried the synthetic weed for a few days.
Still, the internet shows no antidotes after hours of reading and googling.
Some bloggers were seeking advice on removing the residues of synthetic weed and its long term residual effect.

I may have pioneered liver cleansing products as a suitable remedy.....
$250 for the specialist fee thanks


Buy a liver cleansing product from a health food store, and do a cleansing diet for 1 week.
For me now, no beers, no junk food, nearly 2 weeks now.....
[felt great and back to old self within 3-4 days of cleanse]