Meanwhile a Border Collie waits...

**98tls** · 4th December 2012, 11:22

And waits,one of Sams favourite pastimes is attacking the exhaust of anything with a motor when its started up,the lux/mrs hairdryer/electric knives and chainsaws are a bit of a problem as you can imagine but his favourite is the bike,went out to the shed this morning and moved the TL to do a few things,he gets excited for a bit then sits and waits,nothing happens so hes decided to have a snooze and wait it out,guess he figurers it will start sometime.

**george formby** · 4th December 2012, 11:25

Seems to be a breed trait..

**Katman** · 4th December 2012, 11:27

Originally Posted by george formby

Seems to be a breed trait..

Isn't that a Blue Heeler?

**george formby** · 4th December 2012, 11:30

Originally Posted by Katman

Isn't that a Blue Heeler?

T'is a Collie heeler X to the best of my knowledge. Smart sheepdog, either way. Known as a "clinker" to shepherds apparently.

My dog won't wait fo FA...

**Big Dave** · 4th December 2012, 11:43

>>a bit of a problem as you can imagine<<

According to the dog whisperer Sam is 'owning' them.
You have to assert dominance whilst he's doing it and prove that you are pack leader and they are yours.

http://www.cesarsway.com/channel/dog-whisperer-tv

I think I agree, but on the last episode I watched he got a nasty bite from a Daxy - I bet he wasn't whispering in the out-takes.

This act still cracks me up:

**98tls** · 4th December 2012, 12:08

Nice work Doogle.Yep sounds feasible Dave,ive roared at Sam re the chainsaw etc but just when you think hes got it you turn around and there he is lining up for a snap at the end of the bar so far safer just to put him in lockdown whilst using it,bugger leapt off the bed once and grabbed the hairdryer off the mrs whilst she was using it which didnt go down to well,bowled her over

Hes somewhat bull at gate but hey it makes life interesting at times and provides a few laughs,out at a mates property he spied a horse in a paddock so off he goes ignoring all the swearing going on behind him but no problem the gate stopped him dead in his tracks

to busy focusing on the horse he never saw the bloody gate and ran straight into it flat out.

**Big Dave** · 4th December 2012, 12:37

He sometimes gets physical - rolls the dog on its back, and sinks his fingers into the throat in a claw that simulates fangs - and he holds the dog there till it submits - then for a little while after that.

Sounds harsh, but then, consequences...dunno....

**GTRMAN** · 4th December 2012, 13:24

Originally Posted by Big Dave

He sometimes gets physical - rolls the dog on its back, and sinks his fingers into the throat in a claw that simulates fangs - and he holds the dog there till it submits - then for a little while after that.

Sounds harsh, but then, consequences...dunno....

I tried that with my huntaways, works a treat. Though the one at the family farm did have a thing for rotating rubber, as in vehicle tyres. She is quiet as a mouse now... having her head run over twice has given her a very sunny and somewhat vacant disposition

**Big Dave** · 4th December 2012, 13:33

Can you bottle the process?

**Geeen** · 4th December 2012, 13:35

Originally Posted by george formby

Seems to be a breed trait..

Originally Posted by Big Dave

>>a bit of a problem as you can imagine<<

According to the dog whisperer Sam is 'owning' them.
You have to assert dominance whilst he's doing it and prove that you are pack leader and they are yours.

http://www.cesarsway.com/channel/dog-whisperer-tv

I think I agree, but on the last episode I watched he got a nasty bite from a Daxy - I bet he wasn't whispering in the out-takes.

This act still cracks me up:

Those are some very well trained dogs.

**98tls** · 4th December 2012, 13:51

Originally Posted by Big Dave

He sometimes gets physical - rolls the dog on its back, and sinks his fingers into the throat in a claw that simulates fangs - and he holds the dog there till it submits - then for a little while after that.

Sounds harsh, but then, consequences...dunno....

Dont fancy my chances,roll Sam on his back and grab him round the throat he seems to think

play time and goes nuts

Ive had a few Border Collies in my time,all of em wonderful dogs but none so bloshy as this guy,the world is indeed Sams oyster and he does with it what he wants to,as i said earlier it does provide some laughs.

**Big Dave** · 4th December 2012, 14:18

Originally Posted by 98tls

Dont fancy my chances,roll Sam on his back and grab him round the throat he seems to think

play time and goes nuts

Ive had a few Border Collies in my time,all of em wonderful dogs but none so bloshy as this guy,the world is indeed Sams oyster and he does with it what he wants to,as i said earlier it does provide some laughs.

He does it with their collar and lead on, but the dogs he's trying to modify are usually quite physcho.

I had a Shepherd once that would pick up the front wheel of the lawn mower and play tug of war - with a roaring Victa.

**oneofsix** · 4th December 2012, 14:58

Originally Posted by Big Dave

He does it with their collar and lead on, but the dogs he's trying to modify are usually quite physcho.

I had a Shepherd once that would pick up the front wheel of the lawn mower and play tug of war - with a roaring Victa.

My Border would do that, and yes he did try to bite the end of the chainsaw bar whilst it was running. Heard the click on his teeth but no blood and no damage, fucked if I know how he got away with it but shit he was quick. One minute no where in sight next he's attacking the chain. Don't know who got the biggest fright, me the dog or the daughter watching.

**Road kill** · 4th December 2012, 16:08

Holding a Dog down by the throat and forcing it to submit is Dog language which they understand an respond to very well.

Yelling,hitting and kicking is human language which they don't understand.

I dog that has just eaten the couch does not know what it did wrong,all it knows is you were pissed off when you walked in the door an started all that yelling shit.

When your doing that yelling shit the Dog will back off because it does realise your pissed off.

If you then do manage to get it to come close enough for you to start that hitting shit "the only lesson it learns is to stay away from you when your doing that yelling shit because it leads to him/her getting hit.

It will never connect it's eating the couch with what your doing and it will never connect your yelling and hitting with anything more than your being a bit unbalanced and not to be trusted.

Dogs do not know what they did wrong,all they know is that your pissed off.

It doesn't take much of that before the Dog will not come when called because you have taught it that coming to you equals "bad things happening to it".

Personally I disagree that the Dog is trying to own the bike,what it's doing is trying to dominate it which is not the same thing at all.

In the case of hair driers or chain saws it's more a protective thing and that happens because the dog considers it's self stronger or more dominant or at lest the equal of the person involved so it's just looking out for either it's equal or of the weaker pack member.

My own dogs don't carry on like that because they see both my Mrs and I as being the dominant pack members so it's not their place to be involved unless they are called on to do so.

These TV Dog guys say things like the Dog is trying to own something because they are trying to get the message across to the Dog owner in the only language they understand because they sure as hell don't understand "Dog.

None of our Dogs have ever been hit in their lives and verbal telling off is always very short an sharp in much the same way they do it themselves.

Dogs are not nice to each other like humans are ""they have very well definded pack structures that are defended to the death at times "they expect the same ruthless approach from their human pack members and when they don't get it in a way they understand they will take control themselves.

That is why really dominant types of Dogs like pitbulls ect will often turn on their owners.

They see themselves as being top Dog so when the human gets out of line they get put back in their place.

To bad if you though your pitty was cute an cuddly,because he doesn't see you like that.

**hayd3n** · 4th December 2012, 16:30

Originally Posted by Road kill

""they have very well definded pack structures that are defended to the death at times "they expect the same ruthless approach from their human pack members and when they don't get it in a way they understand they will take control themselves.

That is why really dominant types of Dogs like pitbulls ect will often turn on their owners.

They see themselves as being top Dog so when the human gets out of line they get put back in their place.

To bad if you though your pitty was cute an cuddly,because he doesn't see you like that.

hahaha, nope. errr wrong\ more of a family type setup.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_behavior
also http://www.clickersolutions.com/arti.../dominance.htm