Ranting about NZ retailers

[Crasherfromwayback]

NZ dealers need to rethink not only what they charge .... (and what they say to try to bullshit the customer) ......one said "oh but theres a huge tax on automotive parts ...... compare the prices, and the tax must be ginormous ..... or are they just ripping us poor customers off.

What you don't understand my good fellow is this...how it actually works. Being a francise dealer means you MUST buy your genuine spares from the NZ distributor...and THEY alone set the retail price for the bits...not the poor cunt that always gets it in the neck.

What people need to understand though is that it is Bluewing that need to cop it in the neck if the consumer is unhappy - not the poor old retailer who is tied to the price that Bluewing sets.

You know it. Surprised after fuck know's how many threads/posts about it...most here don't.

[imdying]

What you don't understand my good fellow is this...how it actually works. Being a francise dealer means you MUST buy your genuine spares from the NZ distributor...and THEY alone set the retail price for the bits...not the poor cunt that always gets it in the neck.

I keep hearing this, so I presume there's an 'or else'.

Setting up a business to sell the big fours OEM spare parts which are drop shipped from an undisclosed operation might just work splendidly in this country. If 'they' try to shut it down by leaning on the suppliers, that's monopolistic and then we can levy some lovely fines at them.

Yeah, maybe in dream world. I'll keep doing my part by not buying my OEM spares from New Zealand. My spare cash can continue to go to the genuine value adders... mechanics, machinists, tyre fitters, suspension tuners etc.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I keep hearing this, so I presume there's an 'or else'.

Setting up a business to sell the big fours OEM spare parts which are drop shipped from an undisclosed operation might just work splendidly in this country. .

I think you could be well right.

[White trash]

I keep hearing this, so I presume there's an 'or else'.

Setting up a business to sell the big fours OEM spare parts which are drop shipped from an undisclosed operation might just work splendidly in this country. If 'they' try to shut it down by leaning on the suppliers, that's monopolistic and then we can levy some lovely fines at them.

Yeah, maybe in dream world. I'll keep doing my part by not buying my OEM spares from New Zealand. My spare cash can continue to go to the genuine value adders... mechanics, machinists, tyre fitters, suspension tuners etc.

A retailer selling genuine parts, imported from elsewhere, is likely to have all four legitimate importers crying to the factory, who will in turn remind the outfits selling their parts to an off shore retailer that they are in breach of their franchise agreement and risk being removed.

[imdying]

A retailer selling genuine parts, imported from elsewhere, is likely to have all four legitimate importers crying to the factory, who will in turn remind the outfits selling their parts to an off shore retailer that they are in breach of their franchise agreement and risk being removed.

That would be the hope... then the Commerce Commission would have something croncrete to prosecute Blue Wing with. I suspect that the cat and mouse game would go on for a while before Honda corporate could squash it, so many places that could be used, many in countries with far less morals.

[Bassmatt]

So dealers, whats the response from the distributors when you tell them the prices they set for parts are fucking ludicrous, you're sick of getting shit from customers over the prices, an awful lot of people are bypassing us and importing their own, what do you expect me to say when a customer asks " how the fuck can you justify that price", etc etc?

[Ocean1]

That would be the hope... then the Commerce Commission would have something croncrete to prosecute Blue Wing with. I suspect that the cat and mouse game would go on for a while before Honda corporate could squash it, so many places that could be used, many in countries with far less morals.

Honda Japan control their spares distribution, they're not about to supply anyone likely to undercut their national distributors.

About 5 years ago you could order genuine KTM parts from official KTM dealers in the US at discounts we're still familliar with for non OE stuff. Word came from head office that the US dealers were to cease selling anything whatsoever to off-shore clients with imediat effect. End of.

[Woodman]

How would it be any different from me taking a second hand part in and asking them to fit it? Is that gonna bite them on the ass too?
It was a fan, its not like I'm asking for second hand brake bloody brake pads or 10 yr old tyres. As in all the other cases I mentioned I would of had to give my approval for the second hand part to be fitted so my problem/responsibility not thiers.
If they had surreptitiously put a second hand part on without mentioning it then different story.
Selling a second hand bike which by definition is made of second hand parts is all good but its too dangerous for them to attempt to find a second hand part..okay, got it.
They have also happily sold me a road bike when I didn't have a motorbike license in the full knowledge I intended to ride it on the road, do you expect the police would be charging them if I had come off it ?.
Ive bought 2 brand new bikes , chains, tyres, oil filters etc easily spent 40-50k with them in the last three years. If that aint worth the hassle then I look forward to seeing them go out of business.

If you take a second hand part, or new for that matter into a mechanic and he fits it then he is responsible if it fails because by the simple act of fitting it, that part is deemed to be fit for purpose because he is a qualified mechanic and should know.

[Robert Taylor]

How would it be any different from me taking a second hand part in and asking them to fit it? Is that gonna bite them on the ass too?
It was a fan, its not like I'm asking for second hand brake bloody brake pads or 10 yr old tyres. As in all the other cases I mentioned I would of had to give my approval for the second hand part to be fitted so my problem/responsibility not thiers.
If they had surreptitiously put a second hand part on without mentioning it then different story.
Selling a second hand bike which by definition is made of second hand parts is all good but its too dangerous for them to attempt to find a second hand part..okay, got it.
They have also happily sold me a road bike when I didn't have a motorbike license in the full knowledge I intended to ride it on the road, do you expect the police would be charging them if I had come off it ?.
Ive bought 2 brand new bikes , chains, tyres, oil filters etc easily spent 40-50k with them in the last three years. If that aint worth the hassle then I look forward to seeing them go out of business.

Dont complain then if your own job goes west because there are people wanting your employer to go bust. Yes there are a lot of things out there that dont stack up to the layman, some criticism is justified and much also is unjustified

The vibes I get on this forum all the time are ''us and them''. The big bad rip off shops versus the poor consumers. The whole situation with buying offshore is certainly accelerating and as a by product so is the number of ordinary everyday people, JUST LIKE YOURSELVES losing their livelihood. And the ability for employers to improve real wage rates in such an environment is also severely compromised.

[Brian d marge]

Dont complain then if your own job goes west because there are people wanting your employer to go bust. Yes there are a lot of things out there that dont stack up to the layman, some criticism is justified and much also is unjustified

The vibes I get on this forum all the time are ''us and them''. The big bad rip off shops versus the poor consumers. The whole situation with buying offshore is certainly accelerating and as a by product so is the number of ordinary everyday people, JUST LIKE YOURSELVES losing their livelihood. And the ability for employers to improve real wage rates in such an environment is also severely compromised.

Yeas and no
IF the idustry fails to adapt to the changing market , thats management. If the industry is tied to one egg in a basket and that egg goes out of favour ( fax machine say ) the business must re-invent itself or go under , management again?
Motorcycles are a hobby for basically the over forties and a few younguns and only for a few weeks a year ( to be brutal ). If one is relying on servicing , parts and bike sales ....and has a few staff at say 500 a week . yes well already those sums aint so hot.
Then we ( the greneral tight arsed public cant or wont open the wallet and shop for a bargain , overseas.
looking even worse
its ( at the moment, I think, a sunset industry )

the rental market was doing ok lots of tourista in summer , all with money ......

anyway must dash , I REALLY must finish this project otherwise I WILL be on the scrapheap !!!!

Stephen

[BMWST?]

The commerce commission couldn't give a shit. If they did they'd be looking into why a sheet of Gib made in NZ costs $22 in NZ and $12 in Aussie. You don't need to go far to find simmilar indicators in most markets.



As it stands it lookes like most bike retailers are subsidising artificially tight new bike sales margines by inflating service and spares margines.

To me that means the distributor's taking an unfair slice of the overall industry spend. I'd prefer the distributors stuck to fixing the wholesale price and kept their sticky fingers out of the broader industry retail till, but unless the shop's completely free to price as they want the end user doesn't get much say.

Market manipulation is rife, everywhere, and I hate it, it removes much of the control of the market that rightfully belongs to the customer.

winstones(do they still own it) have a monopoly thet can sell it for what they like...the commerce commision cant do anything about that

[240]

Surely it can't be that hard to roll Blue Wing... the Japanese really dislike losing face, that might be the right avenue for poking the beast.

"The beast" is probably just a bunch of guys trying to earn a living like most of you posting here.
Whoever you work for probably tries to make money to give you a job (not just you mate but all who moan about nz prices).
We are a small country,turnover is low,freight is high and kiwis want everything for fuck all and still want our under crowded roads to ride on.
We need money to circulate in our own country to survive,so those who import their brake lines and if they burst and they dump their bikes and break a leg charge your overseas supplier not acc.

[Ocean1]

winstones(do they still own it) have a monopoly thet can sell it for what they like...the commerce commision cant do anything about that

They can. Indeed their primary role is to prevent monopolistic behaviour.

So: http://www.comcom.govt.nz/anti-competitive-practices/

The purpose of the Commerce Act 1986 is to promote competition in markets for the long-term benefit of New Zealand consumers.


It prohibits anti-competitive agreements between businesses such as agreements to fix prices or to carve up markets. It also makes it illegal for companies to abuse a dominant market position.

Consumers and businesses can end up paying higher prices or having reduced choice of goods or services as a result of such agreements.

The type of agreements that are illegal can involve two or more businesses colluding (coordinated conduct), or the actions of a single business or person (unilateral conduct).

What is illegal?

Coordinated conduct includes:
Agreements that substantially lessen competition in a market
Agreements that exclude or limit dealings with a rival
Agreements that fix, maintain or control prices (also known as cartels).

Unilateral conduct includes:
A person or business taking advantage of their dominant position in a market for an anti-competitive purpose
A person or business specifying a minimum price at which its goods or services can be sold by another - this is called resale price maintenance.

[Brian d marge]

They can. Indeed their primary role is to prevent monopolistic behaviour.

So: http://www.comcom.govt.nz/anti-competitive-practices/

The purpose of the Commerce Act 1986 is to promote competition in markets for the long-term benefit of New Zealand consumers.


It prohibits anti-competitive agreements between businesses such as agreements to fix prices or to carve up markets. It also makes it illegal for companies to abuse a dominant market position.

Consumers and businesses can end up paying higher prices or having reduced choice of goods or services as a result of such agreements.

The type of agreements that are illegal can involve two or more businesses colluding (coordinated conduct), or the actions of a single business or person (unilateral conduct).

What is illegal?

Coordinated conduct includes:
Agreements that substantially lessen competition in a market
Agreements that exclude or limit dealings with a rival
Agreements that fix, maintain or control prices (also known as cartels).

Unilateral conduct includes:
A person or business taking advantage of their dominant position in a market for an anti-competitive purpose
A person or business specifying a minimum price at which its goods or services can be sold by another - this is called resale price maintenance.

Mods , this post, I think should be the jokes and Humour section

Stephen

Just kidding Ocean 1 !!

[Brian d marge]

"The beast" is probably just a bunch of guys trying to earn a living like most of you posting here.
Whoever you work for probably tries to make money to give you a job (not just you mate but all who moan about nz prices).
We are a small country,turnover is low,freight is high and kiwis want everything for fuck all and still want our under crowded roads to ride on.
We need money to circulate in our own country to survive,so those who import their brake lines and if they burst and they dump their bikes and break a leg charge your overseas supplier not acc.

Im self employed, had to relocate in order to be what I wanted to be ( no , I only wear a skirt in my free time and , yes I work for honda )

If I dont adapt , my family doesnt eat , its that simple

Stephen