Ranting about NZ retailers

[Crasherfromwayback]

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I think we're in the wrong business, seems like we should open an accessories specialty shop, oh but then by the sounds of things this wouldn't do very well unless the prices were adjusted

Don't you think if it was that easy every cunt would be doing it?

[Brian d marge]

Some compelling points about purchase price and delivery times.

But gravy train????????????????????? I know very very few motorcycle industry people that are so flush with huge profits that they are riding the gravy train.............In fact I know of none.

Many of us have in fact adapted and WORK BLOODY HARD to make a living.

But Ive made the point many times and people are not prepared to enagage about it. As a by product of the way the world has evoved this is putting many ordinary everyday working people out of work. For myriad reasons ( and this is not a point made to seek an argument as it has been done to death )we are sending lots of money offshore where it is going into the local economies there, it sure as hell doesnt get put back into our economy.

SO WHERE DO ALL OF THESE DISPLACED WORKERS GO?????

well according to the business round table and mates , they retrain.

now we are starting to see the cracks in an inherently flawed system. But this is the one we have to deal with , sooo adapt we must.

Money doesn’t have to flow off shore IF the local economy/business provides a service that the customer requires. ( a bad example , milk? do we buy milk from Australia ? ( probably !!! it wouldn’t surprise me !)

Sorry RT , but you may well be a good example of a local business providing a flexible niche service to a local market. Investing profits back into your business.

Stephen

[SMOKEU]

Suzuki wanted to charge me $223 for a rubber fuel pump assembly seal for my bike. It's a normal servicing item that is meant to be replaced every time the in tank fuel filter is cleaned. I got the part for $US24 including shipping by ordering online.

I can order in genuine Zippo lighters for less than NZ$20 as well. The same thing in shops is over double the price.

[Robert Taylor]

don't you think if it was that easy every cunt would be doing it?

exactly, have seen plenty of such shops come and go ''that were going to set the world on fire''.

[Flip]

Don't you think if it was that easy every cunt would be doing it?

Well from one point of view every cunt is doing it.

I mean that they are acting like the manuifacturers agent and sourcing the parts they need from other, usually overseas suppliers. The suprising thing is how easy and profitable it is to do.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Well from one point of view every cunt is doing it.

I mean that they are acting like the manuifacturers agent and sourcing the parts they need from other, usually overseas suppliers. The suprising thing is how easy and profitable it is to do.

lol. Guess you're right there!

But seriously...it's not easy money. Not too many in the industry are raking it in that's for real. Many more will go to the wall before it gets better too.

Ps: I've been called far worse in my time too.

[Edbear]

lol. Guess you're right there!

But seriously...it's not easy money. Not too many in the industry are raking it in that's for real. Many more will go to the wall before it gets better too.

Ps: I've been called far worse in my time too.

As an importer supplying now 48 dealers, I can agree it is not easy money. Only now after two years of hard work and investment is the business self-funding. The reason it has only taken two years? I am solo and work from home and my wife has a well paying job. The reason the batteries are so cheap? I have minimal overheads, no staff, no warehouse. If I had to run my business the same as your shop I doubt I could make it worthwhile as the batteries would be way overpriced for the NZ market.

It really can't be compared to other countries as they buy ex factory as I do but freight is way lower and they don't pay GST of 15% either. I pay international air freight. Fortunately again for the Shorai batteries is they are not dangerous goods and can be shipped standard post meaning lower shipping costs.

[Woodman]

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Also the 2 rubber o'rings at $20 as opposed to shopping around and getting them both for $1.
And an Indicator for the bike at $146 and none in the country as opposed to $47 and delivery in 2-4 days..... what do you do??
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Yeah I'll join in and I even posted here once about it ages ago but got shot down about it.
Went to buy a small bolt which went into the rear cowl on the Hyosung, it was used for strapping something down on the back seat I guess, was quoted $20 per, I resulted to just keeping the bolt which I munted a little trying to get off.

I think we're in the wrong business, seems like we should open an accessories specialty shop, oh but then by the sounds of things this wouldn't do very well unless the prices were adjusted

Well then go to a bank, show them your business model, projections, margins, overheads, demand, customer demographics etc etc and see how much they will loan you. I bet they will be fighting over themselves to give you their money.

[PeeJay]

As an importer supplying now 48 dealers, I can agree it is not easy money. Only now after two years of hard work and investment is the business self-funding. The reason it has only taken two years? I am solo and work from home and my wife has a well paying job. The reason the batteries are so cheap? I have minimal overheads, no staff, no warehouse. If I had to run my business the same as your shop I doubt I could make it worthwhile as the batteries would be way overpriced for the NZ market.

It really can't be compared to other countries as they buy ex factory as I do but freight is way lower and they don't pay GST of 15% either. I pay international air freight. Fortunately again for the Shorai batteries is they are not dangerous goods and can be shipped standard post meaning lower shipping costs.

Maybe they dont gall it gst in other countries but there are a hell of places paying a lot more than here.
NZ has one of the lowest total consumer tax rates in the world, apart from Somalia.

Dont you claim your gst back ?

I am sure you do, you just didnt mention it so that it sounds as if you just pay it and thats that.

[Edbear]

Maybe they dont gall it gst in other countries but there are a hell of places paying a lot more than here.
NZ has one of the lowest total consumer tax rates in the world, apart from Somalia.

Dont you claim your gst back ?

I am sure you do, you just didnt mention it so that it sounds as if you just pay it and thats that.

Yes of course, but remember what you get back in reality is the difference between what you pay and what you claim each period, so unless you have made a loss for the period you will pay more GST. You can't realistically use that to set the price.

If you look at the comparison between my prices and the US RRP, and realise that this is as low as I can go and a lot lower than most importers, it will help understand the reality of the situation.

[PeeJay]

Some compelling points about purchase price and delivery times.

But gravy train????????????????????? I know very very few motorcycle industry people that are so flush with huge profits that they are riding the gravy train.............In fact I know of none.

Many of us have in fact adapted and WORK BLOODY HARD to make a living.

But Ive made the point many times and people are not prepared to enagage about it. As a by product of the way the world has evoved this is putting many ordinary everyday working people out of work. For myriad reasons ( and this is not a point made to seek an argument as it has been done to death )we are sending lots of money offshore where it is going into the local economies there, it sure as hell doesnt get put back into our economy.

SO WHERE DO ALL OF THESE DISPLACED WORKERS GO?????

Not saying you or anyone else doesnt work hard. Most people do work hard, too hard at times.

But working hard to support an ineffecient supply chain isnt the way forward.

Probably doesnt apply to you so much, as Importer, distributor, retailer you have the opportunity to rationalise the whole Ohlins supply chain in NZ.
Years ago I worked for a Motorcycle principal who was importer, distributor, retailer for a couple of major brands, he was clipping the ticket so often and for so much he hired people to do it for him. He is still around and still doing it.
For some it is a gravy train, and it isnt in their interest to change things.

As for sending money overseas, isnt an argument, doesnt matter if you send money off shore to import stuff or if I do it.
There is just as much local input either way.
To stock a 1000 shocks you provide a warehouse and a storeman.
If you dont do it and have to sack your storeman, the 1000 shocks will be privately imported and will require couriers, customs brokers, a bigger warehouse and more storemen at the PO
So your storeman could take his pick of new jobs created.

Losing jobs because of change is nothing new.
What happenned to the hay merchants, stable owners, stable hands and farriers when people stopped riding horses and started driving cars?
They became service station owners, pump jockeys and mechanics

Whats going to happen to petrol stations if everyone starts driving electric? they will start selling electricity

[Bassmatt]

Yes of course, but remember what you get back in reality is the difference between what you pay and what you claim each period, so unless you have made a loss for the period you will pay more GST. You can't realistically use that to set the price.

If you look at the comparison between my prices and the US RRP, and realise that this is as low as I can go and a lot lower than most importers, it will help understand the reality of the situation.

Hey at least you can pass it on to your customers. Try being an exporter . I have to pay GST but I dont recieve any.

[Edbear]

Hey at least you can pass it on to your customers. Try being an exporter . I have to pay GST but I dont recieve any.

Exporting is tough at the mo. Not sure what the best approach is.

[PeeJay]

Yes of course, but remember what you get back in reality is the difference between what you pay and what you claim each period, so unless you have made a loss for the period you will pay more GST. You can't realistically use that to set the price.

If you look at the comparison between my prices and the US RRP, and realise that this is as low as I can go and a lot lower than most importers, it will help understand the reality of the situation.

At the end of the day, as a business you do not pay gst.

Any gst you are charged with, you get back from IRD

Any GST you charge you pass on to the IRD

Your net GST position is zero

If its not you are doing something wrong

The only person who actually pays gst is the consumer/retail customer

[PeeJay]

Hey at least you can pass it on to your customers. Try being an exporter . I have to pay GST but I dont recieve any.

I am an exporter as well, dont have a problem with gst.

you should go and see a tax specialist or maybe even an accountant (used to be RT's storeman)