The rules are the rules

[Gremlin]

I'll even feed you and pay some gas money ...................anyone??

Sit on my arse and still get the same? No picking up bikes and sitting out in the elements?

Fuck yeah, I'll take that!

It'll be a cold day in hell before I'm pulled off flag marshal duties

[SWERVE]

Thought getting everyone (-1) on the track for a briefing and a light run down was good. (Lights are great too IMHO) ............................... however
That was te ONLY time on Sat that the pit instructions could be audibly heard (WTF is wrong with the PA system at HD)
Then we had the running order changed again and again with very little warning even if you could hear the PA.
Agree the attempt at track drying/water removal was laughable............ and meant the F2/F3 guys qualified on a half dry/half wet track instead of a full wet (IMHO a safer option) because of the delayed start. That saw some very hasty wheel changing.
There were NUMEROUS rule violations during the day for which i saw no action ( not saying it didnt happen) counted at least four riders travelling the wrong way down pitlane!
Nevertheless we had a good two days i terms of set up and experience.

Missing 1/2 of breifing - crossing yellow line = Gday Sonny


Lets hope it will improve ....... or Billy will have to get a BIGGER stick.

WELL DONE
CHOPPA
DENNIS CHARLETT
JADEN HASSEN
JEREMY HOLMES
... d of course Seth & Baillie

[bluninja]

Yes there is room and that's where the 'spotter ' will be.
Bykmad has a point if anyone wants an introduction to the halls of officialdom, sitting next to Grant in a luxury HD apartment wouldn't be a bad start.
I'll even feed you and pay some gas money ...................anyone??

As long as I don't have to deliver lunches from the back of a ute driven by Chris Costello, I might be interested. Here's some AMCC "officials" from nearly a decade ago. I remember getting marshalls was a challenge back then too.

[gixerracer]

So I will try my very best to.....

a) stick to them as a racer.
b) enforce them as a club.

To pick up a few points being made in other threads;

I sit in both camps; I still get the chance to get out on a race bike and more recently find myself in the position of an official.

Hampton Downs

It is hard to 'physically' see the start of the yellow pit entry line at 200+k's but I 'know' where it is, I also know the advantage I would gain by trying to go up the inside (over the yellow line) in the braking zone for turn 1. I also know it is against rule 16 of the entry form.

What are we (AMCC) going to do about it?
We will have a 'spotter' (yep, yet another hard to find volunteer) who's job it will be to monitor transgressions into this area and report to CoC that will result in a black flag for offenders exluding them from the race. Its in the rules, item 16 on AMCC entry forms. I sign to say I understand those rules and agree to them so I wont be supprised if I infringe them and am exluded from the race (black flagged).

The same level of compliance of the rules is expected of me and I sign to say I agree, on all other aspects relating to me racing my bike, be that the compliance of machine, behaviour of pit crew, race etiquette, flag adehrence...the list is a long one and the book a thick one.

What are we (AMCC) going to do about it?
Simply put, all we can do is enforce it, we would be in breech of the rules ourselves if we didn't.
Point marshals are better trained now, each point now has a senior marshal who has been round long enough to recognise what he/she see's and reports what has been seen to the CoC & Steward, they have the rule book in front of them and have no choice but to be guided by that rule and follow the course of action it dictates.

Yes of course some things go un-noticed but you still have options, speak to the steward or riders rep to seek clarification or guidance.

As an official I am not expected to be able to quote every rule vebatim out of the book, I am expected to be conversant with the rules that relate to the meeting I am running and know were in the rule book to find them for clarification (often in a time limiting mannor). I am also expected to ensure those rules are followed.

As a racer I'm also not expected to be able to quote every rule in the book but I expected to make sure the rules that relate to me, my bike, its class and the meeting I do know and as importantly I expect those running the meeting to be enforcing those rules so that all is fair for me.

Race meetings take a lot of personel to put on and a lot of organising to achieve, as much preperation is devoted to this 'pre' the meeting as racers give to their bikes pre meeting and belive it or not a de-brief 'post' the meeting to see what can be done better or different.

So;

As a racer, I'll turn up to the meeting with my bike prepared, conversant with the rules that apply to me, my team, my bike and its class. If I infinge any rule I expect to be pinged for it. The aim of my day is to have a great time enjoying racing my bike with like minded people.

As an organiser, I'll turn up to the meeting prepared for the day ahead, to ensure the rules are being followed to make it fair for everyone regardless of what class they are in. If any rule is infringed I'll simply be guided by what it says in the rule book and after taking into consideration what is said make a call. The aim of my day will be to enjoy watching and being part of you race your bike with like minded people.

Good luck to those going to Manfield for round 2, see the rest of you at HD

Well whom ever officiated in the weekend at HD and also at the Barry Sheene meeting needs to boe shot with a ball of there own shit!

[jellywrestler]

Well whom ever officiated in the weekend at HD and also at the Barry Sheene meeting needs to be shot with a ball of there own shit!

If that's your view you're entitled to it and being from feilding no doubt you'd be wearing diving boots to accomplish this but what about the Chimps who are breaking the rules, what's your suggestion for them???????

[yungatart]

If that's your view you're entitled to it and being from feilding no doubt you'd be wearing diving boots to accomplish this but what about the Chimps who are breaking the rules, what's your suggestion for them???????

Pack 'em up and send 'em home....they'll only do it once, and their mates will get the message that clubs and officials mean business.
Not very PC in this day and age tho, which makes it a pretty unpopular option amongst the powers that be

[gixerracer]

Pack 'em up and send 'em home....they'll only do it once, and their mates will get the message that clubs and officials mean business.
Not very PC in this day and age tho, which makes it a pretty unpopular option amongst the powers that be

Problem is the powers that be havent got the sacks to inforce rules on certain high profile riders! FACT

[sugilite:Me]

Yep, what he said.

[Drew]

Problem is the powers that be havent got the sacks to inforce rules on certain high profile riders! FACT

There was a superbike rider named Craig

Who once flew into a rage

He wasn't special enough

To get away with being rough

So he moaned on the KB page

[gixerracer]

There was a superbike rider named Craig

Who once flew into a rage

He wasn't special enough

To get away with being rough

So he moaned on the KB page

There once was a superbike rider named Drew

His riding stunk more than his poo

He really did suck

And in the end he gave up

TBC

[Drew]

There once was a superbike rider named Drew

His riding stunk more than his poo

He really did suck

And in the end he gave up

TBC

Has potential. More effort required though.

[Maha]

There once was a superbike rider named Drew

His riding stunk more than his poo

He really did suck

And in the end he gave up

TBC

...and the dish ran away with the spoon?

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

Problem is the powers that be havent got the sacks to inforce rules on certain high profile riders! FACT

To be fair Craig your prob right.

But times are a changing and the only way to be fair to everyone is to instil consistancy across the board regardless of who the person is. The rule infringed should have the same consequence full stop.

Sure he or she can shout and stomp there feet and listened too but if they 'overstep' the line in that regard there is a consequence (in the rules) for that too!

Not being a hard assed bastard about it but AMCC will be making a huge effort to run there meetings (the next 3 club rounds and 4th round of the Nationals in March) in a way that is fair to everyone and that way is according to the rules. SImply put if you, your bike or your crew are outside of those rules (regardless of who you are or what class your in) then you know what will happen.

Of course the officials have to see it or have it reported and substantiated for this to work, oh and any 'blind eyes' wont be tolerated either.

[scott411]

Problem is the powers that be havent got the sacks to inforce rules on certain high profile riders! FACT

its not just in road racing, MX has the same problems, very few stewards will penalise riders and the riders will never accept it when they are and quite often throw thier toys,

one of the main problems I think is that penalities are so rare in our sport that when one is applied that everyone thinks they are victimised and normally come back with "everyone always does it"

[Billy]

its not just in road racing, MX has the same problems, very few stewards will penalise riders and the riders will never accept it when they are and quite often throw thier toys,

one of the main problems I think is that penalities are so rare in our sport that when one is applied that everyone thinks they are victimised and normally come back with "everyone always does it"

Yip,

But the biggest problem of all is that not too many people actually read the rulebook or supp regs and therefore count on ignorance as an excuse.

Be warned now,The NZSBK series will be a very different animal this year than its been for sometime,There will be some leeway given to those who we feel are genuine,But for the most part the rules will be administered as per the rulebook and those that have been on this site and other internet sites bagging the system,Might just have put themselves in the firing line,My advice would be to make sure your well versed in chapters 1 thru 10,22 and the relevant appendix for any machines you may be running as well as the supp regs,There will be something checked at random,At every opportunity we get,The Tech steward is primed and ready and I will be his 2IC.