Good idea?

[mashman]

NO money? = existing..

Money? = LIVING!

Why?.......

Edit: I'd say that the exact opposite would be true.

[Ocean1]

Again, thanks for proving my point. Would you still do what you do? or do you only do it for the money?

You don't have a point, you have a blur.

The money I make represents the value others see in my work. I try to make sure they see lots of value, that way I get to spend a fair bit of time doing things that only I see much value in.

Much as I'd love to spend all my time doing worthless shit I'm not foolish enough to believe it's a viable career.

[scumdog]

Why?.......

Edit: I'd say that the exact opposite would be true.

Money - you have the option, exist or live.

No money and you don't have such a large range of options.

I've been on both sides of the fence - and I still don't have tons of $$$...but at least I have a window of living...

[mashman]

You don't have a point, you have a blur.

The money I make represents the value others see in my work. I try to make sure they see lots of value, that way I get to spend a fair bit of time doing things that only I see much value in.

Much as I'd love to spend all my time doing worthless shit I'm not foolish enough to believe it's a viable career.

ha... I have crystal clear vision tyvm.

Fair enough, the unreal world needs us to volunteer on such a basis

Worthless? Like what? Aye, I guess we need to pay the bills.

[mashman]

Money - you have the option, exist or live.

No money and you don't have such a large range of options.

I've been on both sides of the fence - and I still don't have tons of $$$...but at least I have a window of living...

Fair enough, have been in the "hole" myself... but you're still looking at no money in the context of a financial system. If the financial system didn't exist, what would stop you from doing exactly the same things that you do now? Potentially more frequently too

[scumdog]

Fair enough, have been in the "hole" myself... but you're still looking at no money in the context of a financial system. If the financial system didn't exist, what would stop you from doing exactly the same things that you do now? Potentially more frequently too

Hmm, how else would I have my own house and land, overseas travel, classic cars and Harleys??
(I'm the kind of guy who stretches the budget paper thing, nothing left for friperies..)

My lowest ebb was $635 for a calender month when I had two small kids, a mrs and a mortgage, tough going.


And you want me to exist with ZERO $$?

[Deano]

Fair enough, have been in the "hole" myself... but you're still looking at no money in the context of a financial system. If the financial system didn't exist, what would stop you from doing exactly the same things that you do now? Potentially more frequently too

I too have been in a hole, no money, no prospects. Personally, much happier now I have dug myself out of that hole. Productive member of society and all that.

Own my home, no mortgage, I'm racing, kids have quad and MX bike. Fuck living in a hole of no education, no decent income, being negative about life.

What would stop me from doing all of these things....think I have summed it up already. I don't agree with fuck all that you say, but each to their own. Keep knocking the system Mashman, I don't agree with a lot of 'the system' but see how far it gets you.

[scumdog]

I too have been in a hole, no money, no prospects. Personally, much happier now I have dug myself out of that hole. Productive member of society and all that.

Own my home, no mortgage, I'm racing, kids have quad and MX bike. Fuck living in a hole of no education, no decent income, being negative about life.

But think of how much happier you would be if you you had no money....

[mashman]

Hmm, how else would I have my own house and land, overseas travel, classic cars and Harleys??
(I'm the kind of guy who stretches the budget paper thing, nothing left for friperies..)

My lowest ebb was $635 for a calender month when I had two small kids, a mrs and a mortgage, tough going.


And you want me to exist with ZERO $$?

Are people going to stop doing these things because money doesn't exist?

I guess my lowest ebb was scratching down the back of the sofa for the nappy money 1.20 pound, living on chip butties, walking to and from Uni (8 mile round trip) and not having smokes to accompany my journey, well none of my own. Amazing how far dog ends go .

Live, LIVE on zero . Your overseas travel will be covered. If you like classic cars etc... and someone is parting with one, it'll be obtained for free, same with the bikes etc... perhaps we'll swap them amongst ourselves . We did it hard, but it's getting harder and I see no reason for it to be so if the outcome is shit people. Not saying shit people won't exist, but there'll be less reasons for them to be shit and they'll be easier to spot and deal with.

[mashman]

I too have been in a hole, no money, no prospects. Personally, much happier now I have dug myself out of that hole. Productive member of society and all that.

Own my home, no mortgage, I'm racing, kids have quad and MX bike. Fuck living in a hole of no education, no decent income, being negative about life.

What would stop me from doing all of these things....think I have summed it up already. I don't agree with fuck all that you say, but each to their own. Keep knocking the system Mashman, I don't agree with a lot of 'the system' but see how far it gets you.

Fair point. Character building right? Reckon you would have turned out much differenter if you hadn't have had the hard bits? For me, on reflection, nah, fuckin painful and it needn't have been. I coulda fed my kid better, I coulda spent more time with him instead of studying and working to pay the bills and not having any time left.

Be great if everyone had the same choices, but they don't, not even close. Not bagging you having worked hard etc... but I'm certainly not going to pretend that everyone is as strong, as capable, as able, as driven etc... as you and the same opportunities are fewer and further between.

@knocking the system. If it was a bike, it wouldn't have made it off the design table. It's FUBAR at best. But sure, fuckers deserve their position in life eh, it's the best that can be done, we'll get ours, fuck'em. Once upon a time I'd have agreed with you, but not no more. Each to their own.

[Deano]

Are people going to stop doing these things because money doesn't exist?

Yes, yes they are. I call BS dude. How can you travel overseas with no money? No don't even try to answer that cause I call BS.

Try doing everything I have stated above without money. Unless you are a crim, or complete bludger, or both.

[mashman]

Yes, yes they are. I call BS dude. How can you travel overseas with no money? No don't even try to answer that cause I call BS.

Try doing everything I have stated above without money. Unless you are a crim, or complete bludger, or both.

Ya see, I'm not saying that NZ wouldn't still be earning money. So you can call BS, I have no issue with that.

[Deano]

Fair point. Character building right? Reckon you would have turned out much differenter if you hadn't have had the hard bits? For me, on reflection, nah, fuckin painful and it needn't have been. I coulda fed my kid better, I coulda spent more time with him instead of studying and working to pay the bills and not having any time left.

Be great if everyone had the same choices, but they don't, not even close. Not bagging you having worked hard etc... but I'm certainly not going to pretend that everyone is as strong, as capable, as able, as driven etc... as you and the same opportunities are fewer and further between.

@knocking the system. If it was a bike, it wouldn't have made it off the design table. It's FUBAR at best. But sure, fuckers deserve their position in life eh, it's the best that can be done, we'll get ours, fuck'em. Once upon a time I'd have agreed with you, but not no more. Each to their own.

I have learnt from youthful mistakes and would be a lot better off now than we are now, had I made better choices when I was younger. Nuff said I think.

[scumdog]

Are people going to stop doing these things because money doesn't exist?


Live, LIVE on zero . Your overseas travel will be covered. If you like classic cars etc... and someone is parting with one, it'll be obtained for free, same with the bikes etc... perhaps we'll swap them amongst ourselves . .

I tMAY work - but time is money and the time it would take for your idea to bear fruit woud be about 1000 years.

Money makes it happen while I am still living.

Materialistic?

Hell yeah!!

Who would 'benefit' if I wasn't so materialistic??




If it wasn't for people like me there would be nothing to compare to, we would all be equally 'poor'. (or 'rich' if you're mashman).

[mashman]

I have learnt from youthful mistakes and would be a lot better off now than we are now, had I made better choices when I was younger. Nuff said I think.

Fair enough, we've all got things we're not proud of under out belts... I doubt money existing or not would have mattered in that respect, which is kinda the point I was trying to make.