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[BoristheBiter]

Not just mine.

If the laws around speeding were about speed too fast for the conditions that would be different. I fail to understand how anyone can defend a law that implies the same speed is safe on both a straight four-lane motorway and the Waikaremoana road (100km of tight, twisty gravel).

I think you need to go and have a lie down or take more water with what ever your'e drinking as you have now started repeating yourself.

[swbarnett]

No one is asking you to agree with, or obey the speed laws. If you choose to disregard them then you can do so, just do so in the acceptance of the consequences if you do.

Pardon? The very fact that it's been set down in law means that we are being asked to obey them (whether we agree with them or not).

[swbarnett]

Careful what you wish for. The Waikaremoana Road will be 60km/h next thing you know.

Of course I'd prefer the opposite but at least that would be consistent.

[Zedder]

Yep, they all believe that, - up until the point of impact...

But Scummy think about the guaranteed income from the speeders. They don't care about being pinged so it's cha-ching for the gummint. Funny that.

[Bassmatt]

Funny how i have had more near misses on the motorway than the Waikaremoana road or any gravel road for that matter.

So the problem isn't speed then, its traffic volume. Glad you agree.

[swbarnett]

Duuh!
People have enough trouble remembering what particular speed zone they're travelling in at any given time without complicating things by adding yet ANOTHER type of speed zone...

Easily fixed. Do away with speed limits entirely and start doing people for bad driving instead.

[swbarnett]

I think you need to go and have a lie down or take more water with what ever your'e drinking as you have now started repeating yourself.

Came back to my PC to find the preview of the post still open. Thought I'd forgotten to post.

[BoristheBiter]

So the problem isn't speed then, its traffic volume. Glad you agree.

No it is inattention.

[Zedder]

Easily fixed. Do away with speed limits entirely and start doing people for bad driving instead.

Even in Oz's Northern Territory they've only been talking about the open road speed going up again. Around town (residential) is not a good idea because there's a strong psychological need for lower speeds ie: Kids learn speed of cars etc for safe road crossing.

Bad driving and drink driving should be hammered though.

[scumdog]

Easily fixed. Do away with speed limits entirely and start doing people for bad driving instead.

"by belief the speeder was in control of the situation."

Therein lies the problem - generally most people are not KNOWINGLY/INTENTIONALLY a bad driver.

So the Courts would end up cluttered by people defending their 'bad driving' charge.


Telling people they're a bad driver is like telling them they have a small dick/flat chest/bad hair etc. (Pick your gender...)

[Bassmatt]

"by belief the speeder was in control of the situation."

Therein lies the problem - generally most people are not KNOWINGLY/INTENTIONALLY a bad driver.

So the Courts would end up cluttered by people defending their 'bad driving' charge.


Telling people they're a bad driver is like telling them they have a small dick/flat chest/bad hair etc. (Pick your gender...)

You're not going to ticket them for "bad driving" though are you? It will be "failing to stop", or whatever.

[_Shrek_]

"Telling people they're a bad driver is like telling them they have a small dick/flat chest/bad hair etc. (Pick your gender...)

well I've fixed the bad hair day as for the rest

[swbarnett]

"by belief the speeder was in control of the situation."

Therein lies the problem - generally most people are not KNOWINGLY/INTENTIONALLY a bad driver.

So the Courts would end up cluttered by people defending their 'bad driving' charge.

I agree this would be very hard to implement. To do it properly you have to have knowledge of the driver's state of mind at the time (is their mind on the job at hand for instance).

[Zedder]

I agree this would be very hard to implement. To do it properly you have to have knowledge of the driver's state of mind at the time (is their mind on the job at hand for instance).

If the driver's around to defend themselves that is.

[rastuscat]

Not just mine.

If the laws around speeding were about speed too fast for the conditions that would be different. I fail to understand how anyone can defend a law that implies the same speed is safe on both a straight four-lane motorway and the Waikaremoana road (100km of tight, twisty gravel).

Ah, the old subjective limit chestnut.

It's unenforceable, that's why the law is what it is.

Tell you what, come up with a way of actually enforcing your suggestion, and I'll support you. Remember though, that I work in the real world of enforcement, so I know what the practical application of law looks like.

What do you suggest?