GP style shift reverse shift pattern?

[Ocean1]

Why do you reckon TZ and RS250 GP bikes are sold with upside down shift patterns?

Is it 'cause they is for the northern hemisphere? Where they ride on the other side of the road?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Is it 'cause they is for the northern hemisphere? Where they ride on the other side of the road?

lol. For the chappie that doesn't believe in them...it's so that on GP tracks where the corners often open out...hence needing to shift up when going round them (no gearing bar an automatic would actually help this)...you can actually shift up...which is near impossible to do if you need to get your foot under the lever yet can't.

[300weatherby]

lol. For the chappie that doesn't believe in them...it's so that on GP tracks where the corners often open out...hence needing to shift up when going round them (no gearing bar an automatic would actually help this)...you can actually shift up...which is near impossible to do if you need to get your foot under the lever yet can't.

Didn't say I don't believe in reverse shift, if you are on a Euro track (or somewhere like PI) then it would make more sense to me. On our bumpy short go kart tracks, having it for the occasional specific corner doesn't. Gotta love demoracy, we are allowed our opinions and debate them right or wrong.

Have tried it, far too awkward for me, applied my own brand of logic, and decided to leave it alone.

[slowpoke]

LOL.

Who can you name at the very top prefer road pattern apart from a few aliens?

Most footage I see of MotoGP is with race shift. Happy to be proven wrong but I doubt it.

Biaggi was a fairly handy club racer, and there are a few other half decent clubbies mentioned in this part-article

http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/ro...biaggi-s-rsv4/

It's funny with all the hype around Marquez at the moment, but I doubt he'll win his debut MotoGP race or come second overall in his rookie MotoGP season as Biaggi did on the 500's....or piss off as many people, lol.

[merv]

Do the rules say you've got to shift with a foot? Makes me wonder why other sorts of quick shifters haven't been tried - thumb buttons, even verbal instructions inside a helmet e.g. just say "up" or "down" and with electronics these days anything is possible as long as the rider is the one making the decisions.

[slowpoke]

Didn't say I don't believe in reverse shift, if you are on a Euro track (or somewhere like PI) then it would make more sense to me. On our bumpy short go kart tracks, having it for the occasional specific corner doesn't. Gotta love demoracy, we are allowed our opinions and debate them right or wrong.

Have tried it, far too awkward for me, applied my own brand of logic, and decided to leave it alone.

Yeah, same here. I don't claim to be quick but can't say I've ever had an issue. I tried it on my 749R only 'cos that's what it rocked up with but even after a day's track work it didn't feel natural and I could see an expensive cock up looming in my future, so went back to street shift. It's 2012 with sportsbike pegs up under our armpits, and adjustable rearsets off the shelf, not 1982 where you could nearly rest a bike on the peg instead of the stand with no option to change it. Check out the awesome pic's of Stoner and co exiting a corner and the first thing they do is stand the thing up to get on the gas.

Bit different on some of the commuter bikes we race though. Bikes like Deano's SV or an ER6, Hysosung etc could well be a different story with limited ground clearance, crap suspension and few options to change any of it. Hmmmm, it's kinda perverse really, the bikes we race that are least suited to it are the ones we most heavily regulate, yet our purpose built sports bike classes have far more scope for improvement.....we don't half make it hard for ourselves.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Check out the awesome pic's of Stoner and co exiting a corner and the first thing they do is stand the thing up to get on the gas.

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And to think they have the gearshift upside down too!

But seriously...Manfeilds long track requires an upside down setup I reckon. The long left coming out on to the back straight...shifting up cranked hard over.

Just because some good racers can't get their heads round it so don't use it, doesn't make it not a better setup. It is.

[BigOne]

we have two bikes in the shed- my son's SV1000 is set up race pattern. Sometimes I'd ride it, and I get the upside down thing right for 20min or so, then I'd start nailing it, like out of a long corner, and change down instead of up............ leaving a long darkie on the road and another in my pants.
Now when I ride it, I take 5 to flip the linkage over on the shaft. Much less drama.

[Hoon]

Yep it's either an all or nothing change. You can't go switching between the two or you'll mess it up when relaxed and muscle memory takes over.

[Dave-]

Yep it's either an all or nothing change. You can't go switching between the two or you'll mess it up when relaxed and muscle memory takes over.

No? I switch between my race bike and my gf's gn250 without mucking it up.

that might be the difference in the bikes though lol

[Crasherfromwayback]

No? I switch between my race bike and my gf's gn250 without mucking it up.

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I used to jump from one to the other too. I reckon you soon program yourself to it.

[Deano]

I don't have any problem swapping between the two either, between race bike and road bike.

[sharp2183]

I've got differing shift patterns on each of my race bikes. Different bikes, different midset and it works well. Can't see much either way though.

[FJRider]

Yep it's either an all or nothing change. You can't go switching between the two or you'll mess it up when relaxed and muscle memory takes over.

Bike to bike ... bike to car ... whatever ... EXPERIENCED people can handle it.

Only idiots "mess it up" ...


If you know/think you'll ... "mess it up" ... stay in bed. It will be safer for us all ...

[ellipsis]

..i went drag racing the other day...met OAB...apart from doing 10.02's on his passes he was out on the track doing big wheelies and entertaining the crowd...and on the other side of the coin is someone who cant figure whats up and down...be careful with a power saw, is all i can add...