Superstock 600 championship cancelled

[CHOPPA]

There seems to be a lot of support for young road racers in NZ, some of them get a lot of people helping them when they dont understand how hard it is to do it for yourself. I think doing it for yourself gives you a real appreciation when someone does offer you help. Problem is we end up with all our Champions in their mid 40s haha but thats not such a bad thing. The sport needs the heros like Stroud, Shirriffs, Charlotte, Clee, Rees etc when I say I race bikes no one has a clue who I am but if I say I race with guys like this then it gives some credit to what I do.

Its quite hard to get support in MX for a kid because there are so many doing it and the older guys dont feel they need to draw kids in to keep the sport alive. The draw card for the kids racing MX is seeing some of the older guys that get a bit of support and they develop their own drive and commitment to get where they need to be.

If your not getting the appreciation you expect from the guys at the bottom end of the spectrum maybe try a different tact and focus on guys up the charts a bit, guys that are busting there ass to do it already spending their hard earned money. These are the guys that will appreciate it and then the young guys will be able to see some career progression and give them more will to struggle to get there.

I had wanted to ride road bike for years because I would see Team Bernard and it looked amazing! I wanted to be on the team bad! I saw an ex team 600 for sale and I emailed Brian when I was looking at my first road bike, he didnt accept my offer I even asked him to do it cheaper for sponsorship hahaha he didnt accept it but I told him to remember my name lol

My Point is that there is a lot of focus to get the young guys into the sport, maybe the focus could shift to make the top of the sport more attractive so young guys want to get into the sport

How about we start up a lotto syndicate so we can win a shit load of money and do a bit of both...

[wharfy]

How about we start up a lotto syndicate so we can win a shit load of money and do a bit of both...

I'll be in !!!

[CHOPPA]

I'll be in !!!

Ill make a plan!

[HenryDorsetCase]

I hear ya mate.......... but anybody who did import such a machine would instantly be "be-headed" (aka tall poppie) for making it unfair to the rest of ther competitors. And unless there are other bikes/riders of similar status then it would be a fruitless exercise..especially for a young rider hoping to move up. Be good for a rich/older "trophy stealer"

keep talking.... I'm older. not so much rich or talented though.

[SWERVE]

There seems to be a lot of support for young road racers in NZ, some of them get a lot of people helping them when they dont understand how hard it is to do it for yourself. I think doing it for yourself gives you a real appreciation when someone does offer you help. Problem is we end up with all our Champions in their mid 40s haha but thats not such a bad thing. The sport needs the heros like Stroud, Shirriffs, Charlotte, Clee, Rees etc when I say I race bikes no one has a clue who I am but if I say I race with guys like this then it gives some credit to what I do.

Its quite hard to get support in MX for a kid because there are so many doing it and the older guys dont feel they need to draw kids in to keep the sport alive. The draw card for the kids racing MX is seeing some of the older guys that get a bit of support and they develop their own drive and commitment to get where they need to be.

If your not getting the appreciation you expect from the guys at the bottom end of the spectrum maybe try a different tact and focus on guys up the charts a bit, guys that are busting there ass to do it already spending their hard earned money. These are the guys that will appreciate it and then the young guys will be able to see some career progression and give them more will to struggle to get there.

I had wanted to ride road bike for years because I would see Team Bernard and it looked amazing! I wanted to be on the team bad! I saw an ex team 600 for sale and I emailed Brian when I was looking at my first road bike, he didnt accept my offer I even asked him to do it cheaper for sponsorship hahaha he didnt accept it but I told him to remember my name lol

My Point is that there is a lot of focus to get the young guys into the sport, maybe the focus could shift to make the top of the sport more attractive so young guys want to get into the sport

How about we start up a lotto syndicate so we can win a shit load of money and do a bit of both...

Thats a very valid point of view Sloan. The young guys should be in AWE of the guys at the top (and most are) the dream to be that man and to have what he has is the furthest carrot on the stick. Admittedly seeing the top guys still busting a gut doesnt exactly inspire you always.
What i saw when i formed KIWISTARS was a lot of young talant who did look up in awe of the top riders and wanted to be them............... but the end result seemed so far away and un-achievable. So what we do is give them there first chance at what it is like to be a team rider. Although i spend all my money and time providing for them.. i do expect a lot in return. Personal sponsorship from the individual - commitment to racing both on and off track - a professional approach and sportsmanlike attitude. I will do what ever i can to help my rider(s) if they show those qualities............. if they dont its on the trailor (that happened this year) Thus giving them an insight into the "real world" where you only get out if yu putin. Unlike school whch teaches the 'medal for all principle"
I realise that i may get bitten!!! but thats life ... but the look on a young guys face the first time he wins (or goes faster than ever before) and that sudden change from " im a racer to im a winner" is worth every moment.
It must be even more frustrating for you.... when you can produce the goods, but dont seem to be able to make that a viable package or some. Its damn frustrating when you see heaps of support/money thrown at some people who will never really benifit from it or really appreciate it. And to make it worse niether will the provider. I have lost count of how many people i have approached for help said that they had done it before and only got false promises and no thanks.;
I think we have hi-jacked the thread

[CHOPPA]

Thats a very valid point of view Sloan. The young guys should be in AWE of the guys at the top (and most are) the dream to be that man and to have what he has is the furthest carrot on the stick. Admittedly seeing the top guys still busting a gut doesnt exactly inspire you always.
What i saw when i formed KIWISTARS was a lot of young talant who did look up in awe of the top riders and wanted to be them............... but the end result seemed so far away and un-achievable. So what we do is give them there first chance at what it is like to be a team rider. Although i spend all my money and time providing for them.. i do expect a lot in return. Personal sponsorship from the individual - commitment to racing both on and off track - a professional approach and sportsmanlike attitude. I will do what ever i can to help my rider(s) if they show those qualities............. if they dont its on the trailor (that happened this year) Thus giving them an insight into the "real world" where you only get out if yu putin. Unlike school whch teaches the 'medal for all principle"
I realise that i may get bitten!!! but thats life ... but the look on a young guys face the first time he wins (or goes faster than ever before) and that sudden change from " im a racer to im a winner" is worth every moment.
It must be even more frustrating for you.... when you can produce the goods, but dont seem to be able to make that a viable package or some. Its damn frustrating when you see heaps of support/money thrown at some people who will never really benifit from it or really appreciate it. And to make it worse niether will the provider. I have lost count of how many people i have approached for help said that they had done it before and only got false promises and no thanks.;
I think we have hi-jacked the thread

And your doing a top job! I have a lot of respect for Seth, I know you have been working together over the last few years and he has the right attitude (now) to be successful for years to come. Looking forward to see how your latest young fella gets on for sure!

[suzuki21]

I wanted to ride road bike for years because I would see Team Bernard and it looked amazing!

I think you mean I looked amazing Sloan, I always shave when I go to the track. And FYI Craig is my hero.

[gammaguy]

"My mill"?????? When did that happen and why did I not notice it????? Even if I did have a mill,I wouldnt be sponsoring anybody in this country again anyway,Just a bunch of wannabe takers who dont give back,No they can find their own machinery,I'm happy doing the job as roadrace commissioner and when that ends,I'm done.

Spoken like a true optimist

Clearly you have been around road racing long enough to draw the same conclusions i.did

[Robert Taylor]

And your doing a top job! I have a lot of respect for Seth, I know you have been working together over the last few years and he has the right attitude (now) to be successful for years to come. Looking forward to see how your latest young fella gets on for sure!

Seth is actually a very good example, he has TOTAL committment and is a magnet for expanding his setup knowledge. His immediate goals are extremely ambitious but that is no bad thing, and his outgoing personality is always a sunny disposition. That encourages help from many quarters and a following. And I see another rider who came up through 125s at the same time who has graduated to 600 Supersport this season, just like Seth. Much touted, overseas experience, has got the bike and equipment underneath him but he is SLOW. It doesnt help if you have also had a personality bypass operation. If you had a choice between two such riders it is a no -brainer.
Our messed up education and social system plus PC bollocks( courtesy of the pseudo communists who were in control of the country) has ''dumbed down'' a lot of peoples sheer drive and determination to succeed. That is very evident in road racing, many people want it to be easy and for everything to be provided on a plate.That usually doesnt happen, nor should it.

I imagine that ultimately 600 Supersport will ultimately morph back somewhere closer to the old rules, which werent ''broken'' anyway.

[Drew]

old rules, which werent ''broken'' anyway.

There's a thread about that somewhere...

[Billy]

I imagine that ultimately 600 Supersport will ultimately morph back somewhere closer to the old rules, which werent ''broken'' anyway.

I wouldn't count on that Robert,Its long been my opinion that we run 10 races a year for Supersport and a 100 for F2 and by bringing them even closer together we may be able to increase the amount of those with 600s that don't do the Nationals at all and convince them to do atleast their local round,Bear in mind that with 24 600s entered for round 1 of this years Nationals,We are probably never going to double that figure,But another 4 or 5 would be the icing on the cake,Lets be realistic here,The European Superstock class that Jake Lewis competed in recently,Only ran with feilds in the mid to low 20s,On that basis we're not too far away IMO.

We need to also be mindful that,In todays economic climate,We cannot rely on and nor should we,The distributors to front with hoards of machinery to fill the grids and lets be honest,Theres only one distributor with any real input at the moment in any class of significance.

[The Chow]

I imagine that ultimately 600 Supersport will ultimately morph back somewhere closer to the old rules, which werent ''broken'' anyway.

Why would this happen Robert. Our point was that people were bitching things were too expensive , and we choose a route that their were two options. And please no one go on about the two classes being mixed blah , blah and if I won my class I didn't get a reward excuse etc. Boo Bloody Hoo. It works in Pro Twin / and Superlite and this year the pro twins have come back to closer to the original season numbers. In my opinion the 125GP class should be in the Superlite and the Pro Twins deserve their own race. But that isn't likely to happen as that would require a rule change.

Hats off to Dan Ornsby who was going to do Superstock , but now has another mission to beat as many Supersport bikes as he can. Good on you Dan , pity more didn't have his atitude , instead of Glory and Trophy hunting.

As aside why would we go back , the numbers speak for themselves. We changed the rules in
2011 and have had increases in entries.

The entry fiqures for Round 1 of the NZ Superbike Championship 2007-2013
125GP
2007 16
2008 14
2009 11
2010 12
2011 13
2012 13
2013 8
600
2007 22
2008 18
2009 17
2010 19
2011 20
2012 20
2013 24
SBK
2007 15
2008 15
2009 10
2010 16
2011 14
2012 18
2013 19
F3/Pro650
2007 18
2008 23
2009 17
2010 16
2011 23
2012 19
2013 27 14 Pro Twins/13 Superlites
Prolite/250 Production
2011 6
2012 18
2013 15

Merry Xmas and See you at Ruapuna January 4-6th

[Robert Taylor]

I wouldn't count on that Robert,Its long been my opinion that we run 10 races a year for Supersport and a 100 for F2 and by bringing them even closer together we may be able to increase the amount of those with 600s that don't do the Nationals at all and convince them to do atleast their local round,Bear in mind that with 24 600s entered for round 1 of this years Nationals,We are probably never going to double that figure,But another 4 or 5 would be the icing on the cake,Lets be realistic here,The European Superstock class that Jake Lewis competed in recently,Only ran with feilds in the mid to low 20s,On that basis we're not too far away IMO.

We need to also be mindful that,In todays economic climate,We cannot rely on and nor should we,The distributors to front with hoards of machinery to fill the grids and lets be honest,Theres only one distributor with any real input at the moment in any class of significance.

Yes that makes sense. And following on with Ians comments its bizarre that there was so much grizzling about the cost but the Supersport class is very well subscribed!

[codgyoleracer]

I wouldn't count on that Robert,Its long been my opinion that we run 10 races a year for Supersport and a 100 for F2 and by bringing them even closer together we may be able to increase the amount of those with 600s that don't do the Nationals at all and convince them to do atleast their local round,Bear in mind that with 24 600s entered for round 1 of this years Nationals,We are probably never going to double that figure,But another 4 or 5 would be the icing on the cake,Lets be realistic here,The European Superstock class that Jake Lewis competed in recently,Only ran with feilds in the mid to low 20s,On that basis we're not too far away IMO.

We need to also be mindful that,In todays economic climate,We cannot rely on and nor should we,The distributors to front with hoards of machinery to fill the grids and lets be honest,Theres only one distributor with any real input at the moment in any class of significance.

F2 Billy ? - sure would be great to see a proper and modern 2013 F2 bike whizzing around. Of course they would be Methanol burning, carbon fibre for africa, inc wheels, open electronic aids inc traction, on-board data logging and suspension, Trick frames, Slicks, Aftermarket brakes, discs, clutches. Oh Yeah baby - 150hp & 130kg ! , WooHooo

Might show up our Superbikes in lap times though ? (& we couldnt have that could we ?) :-)

Or are we talking some sort of dumbed down F2 ? :-)

Its obvious to many why some clubs run F1, F2,F3. They simply do not have the resources to apply the rules. Is it really that bloody simple........

[slowpoke]

F2 Billy ? - sure would be great to see a proper and modern 2013 F2 bike whizzing around. Of course they would be Methanol burning, carbon fibre for africa, inc wheels, open electronic aids inc traction, on-board data logging and suspension, Trick frames, Slicks, Aftermarket brakes, discs, clutches. Oh Yeah baby - 150hp & 130kg ! , WooHooo

Might show up our Superbikes in lap times though ? (& we couldnt have that could we ?) :-)

Or are we talking some sort of dumbed down F2 ? :-)

Its obvious to many why some clubs run F1, F2,F3. They simply do not have the resources to apply the rules. Is it really that bloody simple........

Sorta related to that, when Dr Steve started building his trick lil' 250 I wondered about the market for a trick Moto2 style tube frame 600 instead. I know his heart lies with the smaller bikes but I thought a 140kg F2 bike would be a pretty attractive prospect for a lot of club/street racing punters who mostly never do the Nat's.

You've gone down the custom frame route Glen, is it naive to try and compete with decades of OEM Supersport frame development? Bettering an R6 is a bit different to bettering an SV650 eh?