Brainless Broads Babbling Bullshit!

[Headbanger]

But after all the training ... it means diddly-squat if what had been learned .... is not (was not) put into practice.

Thats where workplace procedure and monitoring come into play.

Its amazing how fast people and companies change their attitude when they are removed from site.

[Headbanger]

Always attack the poster rather than the post with you isn't it? Shame really...

You would present denial and ignorance in the face of multiple deaths?

Yeah, get fucked, No time for it, Seen way to many hurt by others spouting your line of shit.

[bogan]

You would present denial and ignorance in the face of multiple deaths?

Yeah, get fucked, No time for it, Seen way to many hurt by others spouting your line of shit.

Common sense and personal responsibility is a line of shit now? Jeepers, we are a long way down the rabbit hole now toto

[_Shrek_]

Thats where workplace procedure and monitoring come into play.

Its amazing how fast people and companies change their attitude when they are removed from site.

& where does the Grey area fit in here????

[Headbanger]

Common sense and personal responsibility is a line of shit now? Jeepers, we are a long way down the rabbit hole now toto

Competence is a combination of experience and training, Your elusive common sense doesn't count for much if anything if you have no idea what you are faced with and are ignorant of the lessons learned by others.

[Headbanger]

& where does the Grey area fit in here????

Care to elaborate?

[FJRider]

Thats where workplace procedure and monitoring come into play.

Its amazing how fast people and companies change their attitude when they are removed from site.

And it's amazing how a shortcut taken at the wrong time/situation can go really bad. Really fast.

Accidents are made up of (usually) several factors. Take one factor out ... and severity of the result is often reduced. If not removed. Until "Workplace Procedures" list ALL possible factors ... no amount of procedure will remove ALL/any risk. Factors unknown (to those involved) at the time of an accident ... play a vital part of the end result.

Next an "Inspector" will have to be able to tell farmers where on THEIR properties they can't ride THEIR quads. And conditions they are/are not ... allowed.

All in the interest of "Public" safety ... of course.

[bogan]

Competence is a combination of experience and training, Your elusive common sense doesn't count for much if anything if you have no idea what you are faced with and are ignorant of the lessons learned by others.

Ahh, but that is where it is most useful, common sense dictates caution in the face of uncertainty.

I wonder how the distribution of accidents stacks up between those who think, this is a bit sketchy but she'll be right, and those who are truly surprised when things go awry, any ideas?

[unstuck]

" Quad bikes are not all terrain vehicles - they can't go everywhere, do everything. Respect their limits".

A quote from the quad bike saftey page.Something a lot of people do not seem to understand sadly.

[_Shrek_]

Care to elaborate?

the grey area being after working on farm, then using bike for leisure on farm to go hunting, fishing, camping, collecting fire wood, hooning or even just sight seeing etc...

or are you like these wallies that just want quad bikes for work only, & get so regulated that you will need to have a tail gate meeting every job you do

like you have to do in the bush from one job to the next

[Headbanger]

And it's amazing how a shortcut taken at the wrong time/situation can go really bad. Really fast.

Accidents are made up of (usually) several factors. Take one factor out ... and severity of the result is often reduced. If not removed. Until "Workplace Procedures" list ALL possible factors ... no amount of procedure will remove ALL/any risk. Factors unknown (to those involved) at the time of an accident ... play a vital part of the end result.

Next an "Inspector" will have to be able to tell farmers where on THEIR properties they can't ride THEIR quads. And conditions they are/are not ... allowed.

All in the interest of "Public" safety ... of course.

I am of the opinion that incidents allways have multiple contributing factors and at least one direct cause.

At an international safety level some industries have invested untold millions into creating and implemnenting safe operating procedures (SOP) that take into account all possible factors and ensuring that all staff work to the letter of these procedures, Then they monitor the work with Jab safety analisis (JSA) and risk assesments.

Of course, people still get hurt, But at nothing like the scale of a generation or two ago.

[Headbanger]

the grey area being after working on farm, then using bike for leisure on farm to go hunting, fishing, camping, collecting fire wood, hooning or even just sight seeing etc...

or are you like these wallies that just want quad bikes for work only, & get so regulated that you will need to have a tail gate meeting every job you do

like you have to do in the bush from one job to the next

My personal opinion is that there should be a clear separation of work place and recreational activities, I think if you want to hurt yourself in your own time then so be it.

The grey area you refer to is due to a farm being a designated work place, No matter if the activites are for reward or not.

These sorts of designations are normally created by the courts, If I ever become a judge I'll set things straight.

[scumdog]

The grey area you refer to is due to a farm being a designated work place, No matter if the activites are for reward or not.

These sorts of designations are normally created by the courts, If I ever become a judge I'll set things straight.

So you'll have all quads fitted with a timer/clicker, click them each time the role is changed.

'Click' Farm Work time: 2hrs 10mins logged
'Click' Recreation time 25mins logged
'Click' More Farm Work 2hrs 35mins logged
'Click' Recreation time 1hr 11mins logged

Yadda-yadda-yadda....

[cynna]

as long as they dont change the rules for trikes i will be happy

[Headbanger]

So you'll have all quads fitted with a timer/clicker, click them each time the role is changed.

'Click' Farm Work time: 2hrs 10mins logged
'Click' Recreation time 25mins logged
'Click' More Farm Work 2hrs 35mins logged
'Click' Recreation time 1hr 11mins logged

Yadda-yadda-yadda....

No, I'd write up a frame work of site related tasks that need to be done in accordance with a Safe Work Method Statement (SWMS), and assign guidelines to tasks that fall outside these core components.

In the grand scheme of things it wouldn't be a major nor difficult undertaking.