Brainless Broads Babbling Bullshit!

[_Shrek_]

I am of the opinion that incidents allways have multiple contributing factors and at least one direct cause.

At an international safety level some industries have invested untold millions into creating and implemnenting safe operating procedures (SOP) that take into account all possible factors and ensuring that all staff work to the letter of these procedures, Then they monitor the work with Jab safety analisis (JSA) and risk assesments.

Of course, people still get hurt, But at nothing like the scale of a generation or two ago.

well they (OSH) tried to bring in that all diggers will have the same controls so that SOP will be enhanced.... what a groc of shit... never mind that some have been operating machines for 30 +years another way

well after all the dosh they spent on that little saga it was throw'n out at the cost of the tax payer of course

why because to many workers were being hurt

while I do believe that people need to be trained etc... there is a limit to what the imput should be from all the SOP,JSA, etc...

[Headbanger]

while I do believe that people need to be trained etc... there is a limit to what the imput should be from all the SOP,JSA, etc...

I have found it extremely difficult in workplaces where management want everything done to the letter of a SOP, There are always variables and the need for people to apply their expertise. (this isn't the same as dismissing training and falling back on so called common sense).

There have been instances where I asked contractors to remove detail from the method statement as I can see right away if I were to hold them accountable to it they would never meet the requirements they themselves stipulated.

As for training, In a decade of work I never received any, Then when I organized it at my own expense I was amazed at how badly I/we had been operating, But you can't know what you don't know.

[_Shrek_]

Argh, on the idiot box news afew minutes ago: "Coming up in th enews; More quadbike death bring calls for more/tougher (can't remember which) regulations"

Riiiiggghht, so how the eff are any tougher regulations ever going to work with these quads and prevent 'accidents'? - wrap the rider in 50kg of bubble-wrap??

Spare me days...

I have found it extremely difficult in workplaces where management want everything done to the letter of a SOP, There are always variables and the need for people to apply their expertise. (this isn't the same as dismissing training and falling back on so called common sense).

There have been instances where I asked contractors to remove detail from the method statement as I can see right away if I were to hold them accountable to it they would never meet the requirements they themselves stipulated.

As for training, In a decade of work I never received any, Then when I organized it at my own expense I was amazed at how badly I/we had been operating, But you can't know what you don't know.

but it still does not give the gubbermint the right to start adding new regulations for the use of quad bikes as the start of this rant states

because a bunch of tossers use a quad bike in the wrong manner - as a trainer-assessor. you can show & teach people but at the end of the day they will do what they do, & there are times I have gone against the SOP because they would cause to much delay for the contractor & are over kill on the safety side of things to a point where nothing was getting done

[kiwi cowboy]

Indeed I do, and upskilling through training.

If you attended training and got nothing from it then I would suggest that either the course was below your exising level of competence, or you have a shit attitude.

One can be fixed quite easily, select a more advanced course, The other has a high probability of leading to an incident for you or someone else.

Ok the forst part you answered in my original post refered to the osh organisation being the incompetent fools but you obviously diddnt see that.

As for the rest of the above well have we ever met - NO.
Do you know me or know what my level of competence is -NO.

So how do you know weather i have a shit attitude or not

The sugestion that i have to be taught everything by someone like you that would see me as some kneandathole idiot and look down your nose thinking i know nothing about quads or bikes shows me that you think i cant think for myself and make any decisions short of wiping my arse.

I probably do sound like i have a shit attitude but i have been around a bit and i do belive in personal responsibility which was drumed into me as a kid.

So einstein what course do you suggest i do after riding 3 and 4 wheelers for the last 30 years on flat to steep hill country without an injury or accident to make me safe?.

[FJRider]

So einstein what course do you suggest i do after riding 3 and 4 wheelers for the last 30 years on flat to steep hill country without an injury or accident to make me safe?.

Nobody in Otago has died in a quad bike accident since 2008.

The Waikato however ... is a different story.

Considering the terrain in both ... some might think it should be the other way round ..

[kiwi cowboy]

Nobody in Otago has died in a quad bike accident since 2008.

The Waikato however ... is a different story.

Considering the terrain in both ... some might think it should be the other way round ..

From what i understand of Waikato its pretty wet and deep soil on hills which may leed to more slippery on slopes which couls go some way to explain it.

But it still comes down to being able to make a decision for yourself and comes back to personal responsibility.

[unstuck]

But it still comes down to being able to make a decision for yourself and comes back to personal responsibility.

+1 to that.

[Ocean1]

" Quad bikes are not all terrain vehicles - they can't go everywhere, do everything. Respect their limits".

A quote from the quad bike saftey page.Something a lot of people do not seem to understand sadly.

I got one for around here a year or so ago. Surprised me how poorly it manages the slopes, both traction wise and wanting to roll wise.


As for the safety shit? Who's safety is it?

When you're at risk you can decide, in the meantime fuck off.

[unstuck]

I got one for around here a year or so ago. Surprised me how poorly it manages the slopes, both traction wise and wanting to roll wise.


As for the safety shit? Who's safety is it?

When you're at risk you can decide, in the meantime fuck off.

I have seen a lot of fellas on quads that think they can tackle anything Even with half full spray tanks on Even OZZY fucked himself up a bit(more) on one didn't he.

[Berries]

The sugestion that i have to be taught everything by someone like you that would see me as some kneandathole idiot.

Kneandathole? Is that a farming implement or new brand of Chinese quad?

[Headbanger]

So how do you know weather i have a shit attitude or not

.

I'm still pondering what the weather has to do with your shithouse attitude.

[Headbanger]

but it still does not give the gubbermint the right to start adding new regulations for the use of quad bikes as the start of this rant states

Because a bunch of tossers use a quad bike in the wrong manner - as a trainer-assessor. you can show & teach people but at the end of the day they will do what they do, & there are times I have gone against the SOP because they would cause to much delay for the contractor & are over kill on the safety side of things to a point where nothing was getting done

In the event that there is an incident its up to the parties involved to prove they done their best to meet their legal obligations, That is having trained experienced personnel, Undertaking Hazard ID and installing controls, and a record of monitoring the situation.

Bear in mind that if you work outside a defined sop and things go wrong then you may well be used as a scapegoat, Its an easy out for those looking to pass the buck.

And make no mistake, A lot of H&S is about covering arses and passing the buck just as much as it is about forcing people down the safe (defined) path.

Granted no one likes paperwork, and no one will ever ask for it until something goes wrong. But when operating outside of the SOP its a good idea to spend 3 minutes on a JSA.

[Headbanger]

Ok the forst part you answered in my original post refered to the osh organisation being the incompetent fools but you obviously diddnt see that.

As for the rest of the above well have we ever met - NO.
Do you know me or know what my level of competence is -NO.

After careful consideration of your entire post, I would insist not only are you but every person who shares your blood lines be banned from all ATV's, I would also suggest you not be allowed near log splitters, tractors, excavators, tinfoil, steps, or anything with sharp edges or moving parts, This includes utensils and pencils.

Crayons are fine unless you try and eat them.

[_Shrek_]

me as some kneandathole.... i do belive in personal responsibility which was drumed into me as a kid.

So einstein what course do you suggest i do after riding 3 and 4 wheelers for the last 30 years on flat to steep hill country without an injury or accident to make me safe?.

we must be twins

After careful consideration of your entire post, I would insist not only are you but every person who shares your blood lines be banned from all ATV's, I would also suggest you not be allowed near log splitters, tractors, excavators, tinfoil, steps, or anything with sharp edges or moving parts, This includes utensils and pencils.

Crayons are fine unless you try and eat them.

In the event that there is an incident its up to the parties involved to prove they done their best to meet their legal obligations, That is having trained experienced personnel, Undertaking Hazard ID and installing controls, and a record of monitoring the situation.

Bear in mind that if you work outside a defined sop and things go wrong then you may well be used as a scapegoat, Its an easy out for those looking to pass the buck.

And make no mistake, A lot of H&S is about covering arses and passing the buck just as much as it is about forcing people down the safe (defined) path.

Granted no one likes paperwork, and no one will ever ask for it until something goes wrong. But when operating outside of the SOP its a good idea to spend 3 minutes on a JSA.

& after reading your posts I have come to the conclusion that you would rather sit around having tail gate meetings all day then expect to be paid

I think your avatar says it all "Ultimate keyboard Warrior" & you should go look in the mirror & have a reality check then join the real world

[kiwi cowboy]

Kneandathole? Is that a farming implement or new brand of Chinese quad?

Pmsl ok my thpelling ithint da best but hey hb seems ta think were idiots that cant think for ourselves we probably need thpellink lessons to