ACC training providers announced

[quickbuck]

So you have an I endorsement is for motorcycles? And would it not be better for people to go direct to CSS rather learn from students of the course?

When is your next course at Pukekohe?

ACC could make an announcement, Prorider did an add.

You do not get an I endorsement from CSS!
You get it from an NZTA Provider.

Feel free and go and get your I endorsement, but for $3000 per year, what are you going to do with it?

[Tricia1000]

Apologies, but NOWHERE on the site does it say, everyone starts with a Level 1 course.... The site does say:

Theres a program suited to you!

Regardless of what type of bike you are riding

Cruiser
Tourer
Sports
Naked
Dual purpose
Adventure
there's a coaching program that can help you take your riding to another level. right there!! there is A COACHING PROGRAMME.
So, basically the ACC subsidy would cover us for the Level 1 course, and after that?? We have to pay the full money. That sounds like a big scam to me. You get paid for teaching the saferider newbie stuff, but I quote: SafeRider coaching program - Novice/Intermediate/Returning Riders . I don't actually fit in to that category... Nor the next one, but I would like to do the onroad experienced rider course.
AND, you might expect me to take instruction from someone who may or may not be a qualified instructor??

Tricia 1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Hi Trish,
That is a lot for me to answer, and to be totally honest you are best to e-mail Karel through the web site as some of your issues I can not answer.

Simply put re the I endorsement, you are correct, not all of the people at ProRider have it yet.

Some of us who help out in limited capacity do not have it. ACC do indeed know this. The students are advised of this in the intro.

As for the course you want to do, well I am sorry, but EVERYBODY starts at level 1.


Level 2 covers Hazards

Level 3 is for students who have done the first 2 levels and want to take their skills further...

As for travaling to Taupo, I'm sorry, but NZ isn't that big, and they do have accomidation there...
I travel up and back in a day, and I am as far away.

[nzspokes]

You do not get an I endorsement from CSS!
You get it from an NZTA Provider.

Feel free and go and get your I endorsement, but for $3000 per year, what are you going to do with it?

I know where to get endorsements thanks. I meant you to answer the question.

Is your I endorsement for motorcycles? I don't need or want an I endorsement as that is not my career.

And when are you running a course in Auckland? If you don't run one in Auckland then the ACC funding is pointless. Those that need it wont be able to afford it.

[ckai]

Maybe those that have a gripe with regards to Proriders course availability and structure should direct them to ACC not Prorider? After all, it was ACC that approved Prorider not the other way around. I would imagine from what quickbuck said that Prorider, as well as all the other approved providers, provided ACC with appropriate course material, venues, structure, targets etc. ACC obviously were OK with this to give them funding.

So I say again, have an issue with the provider, it seems more logical to talk to ACC since they approved them and there course structure/content/venue's etc etc

[quickbuck]

Apologies, but NOWHERE on the site does it say, everyone starts with a Level 1 course.... The site does say:

Theres a program suited to you!

Regardless of what type of bike you are riding

Cruiser
Tourer
Sports
Naked
Dual purpose
Adventure
there's a coaching program that can help you take your riding to another level. right there!! there is A COACHING PROGRAMME.
So, basically the ACC subsidy would cover us for the Level 1 course, and after that?? We have to pay the full money. That sounds like a big scam to me. You get paid for teaching the saferider newbie stuff, but I quote: SafeRider coaching program - Novice/Intermediate/Returning Riders . I don't actually fit in to that category... Nor the next one, but I would like to do the onroad experienced rider course.
AND, you might expect me to take instruction from someone who may or may not be a qualified instructor??

Tricia 1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Not a big scam at all.
Level 1 is the course that ACC have recognised as he course they provide funding for.

The content was carefully checked over by them, and they approved it.

Now, if you think you are better than that and could not gain anything more from it, I endorsement and all, well then well done, and best wishes to you.

If I wasn't part of the staff, me personally would have no issue in entering myself on a Level 1 course..... Yes, I have been riding for 35 years.... And done quite a few things in my time.
However there is always something to offer all experience levels.

That said, as I have said All along, Contact Karel via the Web Site and discuss your situation, and what you think is best.
I'm sure she will help you out.

This is KB, not www.prorider.co.nz

[nzspokes]

So I say again, have an issue with the provider, it seems more logical to talk to ACC since they approved them and there course structure/content/venue's etc etc

I now agree with you on that. I will be. This situation is laughable.

[quickbuck]

I know where to get endorsements thanks. I meant you to answer the question.

Is your I endorsement for motorcycles? I don't need or want an I endorsement as that is not my career.

And when are you running a course in Auckland? If you don't run one in Auckland then the ACC funding is pointless. Those that need it wont be able to afford it.

I endorsement works like this:
The Trainee has a licence. It has at least one class on it (1 to 6).
They do the I endorsement course through the Training Provider who come under NZTA.

Then they are allowed to instruct any of the classes of licence held.
So if you have a 1,2,4,6 and you do your I endorsement, you can go away and train people to drive anything fro a Smart Car to a 44 Tonne truck, and ride a motorcycle.
Simple?

Again, Have a look at the web site.
You can click on the big logo in my signature block or go to www.prorider.co.nz and find out when courses are run.

Or e-mail via the web site.

Remember this is Kiwibiker, not ProRider....

[nzspokes]

When are the Pukekohe dates?

[nzspokes]

Yes i agree, there is never meant to be a precursor to do a full price Track course (its all about grabbing the $$$$'s) to be able to gain access to do a free / subsidised course which is paid by ACC which is your money
So the more people who reply back to Lindsay johnson @acc.co.nz the better.

Qkkid, is that the e-mail address for him/her? Im pretty keen to get a contact at ACC about this.

[Tricia1000]

Contact at ACC:
Lindsay Johnston Lindsay Johnson MCIPS Senior Category Manager, Print and Logistics, ACC) ACC, Lindsay Johnson and ACC / Corporate Procurement / Level 11, Vogel Centre, 19 Aitken Street
PO Box 242 / Wellington 6011 / New Zealand / www.acc.co.nz, also
Sara Hay, Corporate Procurement Manager, on 04 816 5471 or 027 6866672.
or Dave Kielty on David.keilty@acc.co.nz

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA
P.S. My overseas qualifications were considered, and transferred as evidence enough for my "I" endorsement in New Zealand, so didn't need to go down the 4 weeks at the AA route.
QUOTE=nzspokes;1130459680]Qkkid, is that the e-mail address for him/her? Im pretty keen to get a contact at ACC about this.[/QUOTE]

[nzspokes]

Contact at ACC:
Lindsay Johnston Lindsay Johnson MCIPS Senior Category Manager, Print and Logistics, ACC) ACC, Lindsay Johnson and ACC / Corporate Procurement / Level 11, Vogel Centre, 19 Aitken Street
PO Box 242 / Wellington 6011 / New Zealand / www.acc.co.nz, also
Sara Hay, Corporate Procurement Manager, on 04 816 5471 or 027 6866672.
or Dave Kielty on David.keilty@acc.co.nz

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA
P.S. My overseas qualifications were considered, and transferred as evidence enough for my "I" endorsement in New Zealand, so didn't need to go down the 4 weeks at the AA route.
QUOTE=nzspokes;1130459680]Qkkid, is that the e-mail address for him/her? Im pretty keen to get a contact at ACC about this.

[/QUOTE]

Thanks Tricia, I will be putting some questions to them next week and directing them to this thread.

[Tricia1000]

Absolutely, and I have already done the same. Waikato and Taupo are completely unattainable to novice or medium level students from Auckland, or any where further North than that.. I am quite used to spending the day on my bike, teaching, but even I would draw the line at a 5 hour ride in each direction, and a full days "training".... In fact it would be completely unsafe for anyone to consider doing that.........Please invite your contacts to raise these points with ACC.
Also, I don't know about others, but I would expect a road riding course to be held on the road.... or is that asking too much????
Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Thanks Tricia, I will be putting some questions to them next week and directing them to this thread.[/QUOTE]

[Qkkid]

Qkkid, is that the e-mail address for him/her? Im pretty keen to get a contact at ACC about this.

Hi Rob yes it is the right email addy ,Tricia 1000 has given a reply with all the right details.
It is really sad for all the learner bikers , return bikers , and for those who just might want to do a course and actually might pick up on something they did not know maybe.......
ACC went about it the wrong way and are very short sighted, But what really do you expect after all its "ACC"
I wish Prorider all the best and hope they do there quotas.
For those who care you got to get in contact with Lindsay Johnston.If you feel strong enough about it.

[quickbuck]

I wish Prorider all the best and hope they do there quotas.

Well, thank you.

Now I know Trish has an issue with all the traveling time required to get to Taupo, but something to consider is look at the bigger picture.
One reason that Puke is so hard to get is that V8Supercar has invested a whole lot of money into revamping the place, and it is a little hard to get a training course in there at the moment.

In the future, it will be much easier I am sure.

I know there is a lot of realestate above Auckland too..... Just like there is a lot below Timaru for Dan Ornsby.
Bare with us, it is hoped to get these issues sorted in the near future.
It is a matter of getting the whole sausage machine started and self sustained.

By the way every course ProRider do I have to travel at least 3 hours.

[Tricia1000]

It isn't the travelling time for me. It is in the inaccessibility for the students that concerns me. I move my courses around depending on where the student lives, and their skill level. I don't insist that everyone comes to Whangaparaoa, because that suits me. I go over the bridge, or to the North shore, or to Warkworth. Prorider only seem to want to do the courses at Waikato area tracks... or so it seems. How about a course in North Auckland for a change??
Tricia1000
RoADA(Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Well, thank you.

Now I know Trish has an issue with all the traveling time required to get to Taupo, but something to consider is look at the bigger picture.
One reason that Puke is so hard to get is that V8Supercar has invested a whole lot of money into revamping the place, and it is a little hard to get a training course in there at the moment.

In the future, it will be much easier I am sure.

I know there is a lot of realestate above Auckland too..... Just like there is a lot below Timaru for Dan Ornsby.
Bare with us, it is hoped to get these issues sorted in the near future.
It is a matter of getting the whole sausage machine started and self sustained.

By the way every course ProRider do I have to travel at least 3 hours.