Forced licence progression

[davereid]

You're missing Dave's point, more than 40% were passing the tests, then they set a quota saying only 40% should pass. What use is a quota, if the test results were based on technical skills alone?

Yeah, its supposed to be a test of knowledge and skills.

If you pass the test you should get a licence. If you don't pass it you shouldn't get a licence. But you shouldn't be failed just because the 3 who will pass today have already been tested.

[FJRider]

You're missing Dave's point, more than 40% were passing the tests, then they set a quota saying only 40% should pass. What use is a quota, if the test results were based on technical skills alone?

If people pass the test to the REQUIRED standard ... they are legally bound to pass them.

Any quota in any workplace ... is merely an incentive for the employee to achieve. If a quota is set ... and only to that number ... why don't the testers go home for the rest of the month after they reach that quota .. ???

Those that believe the Highway Patrol have a quota ... might believe this should be the case. What is different about both cases .. ???

[bogan]

If people pass the test to the REQUIRED standard ... they are legally bound to pass them.

Any quota in any workplace ... is merely an incentive for the employee to achieve. If a quota is set ... and only to that number ... why don't the testers go home for the rest of the month after they reach that quota .. ???

Those that believe the Highway Patrol have a quota ... might believe this should be the case. What is different about both cases .. ???

Just think that through, they are legally bound to pass them, but the quota system is an incentive for an employee to achieve, ie, to fail them. How does this give the last testee of the day/week/month the same chance as any other?

I'm not seeing what you mean about going home or the HP. They don't go home cos there are more people to test. HP is different cos it encourages the officers to do a certain task over another, testers do the testing regardless.

[Ocean1]

Guess every gov't in the world is at risk of being taken over or blown up by you then huh.

Mate you really should get out more

Generally speaking NZ governance has been pretty benign, and by that I mean their behaviour has been seen to be beneficial to the majority of their citizens and to the detriment of none, but there's been legislative changes made and proposed that threaten that.

The time to object to unfair government behaviour is when your government gives itself the powers to behave unfairly, not when they impliment them.

[FJRider]

You're missing Dave's point, more than 40% were passing the tests, then they set a quota saying only 40% should pass. What use is a quota, if the test results were based on technical skills alone?

You all seem also ... to be confused with the difference between a quota and a statistic.

Statistics state a pass rate of a known and recorded percentage of those sitting the test.

A quota is a set number (ie:300 per month) that must pass the test. (Or in the case of the believed police quota ... a set minimum number they MUST issue [apparently] per day [or is it weekly or monthly ?? ])

[FJRider]

Just think that through, they are legally bound to pass them, but the quota system is an incentive for an employee to achieve, ie, to fail them. How does this give the last testee of the day/week/month the same chance as any other?

I'm not seeing what you mean about going home or the HP. They don't go home cos there are more people to test. HP is different cos it encourages the officers to do a certain task over another, testers do the testing regardless.

Read post #140 of mine in this thread.

[Zedder]

You're missing Dave's point, more than 40% were passing the tests, then they set a quota saying only 40% should pass. What use is a quota, if the test results were based on technical skills alone?

Daves "point" came across as quota = huge conspiracy, NZTA ripoff etc. Not much of a balanced argument and solely reliant on the initial Herald article.

Forget about anything else such as the quote from an instructer that "It's a lot stricter" or "They're looking for more competancies". Perhaps it could have been a case of trialling the new test and having to adjust it.

What about the fact that 8900 applicants had their exams cut short due to critical errors such as collisions and ignoring testers instructions?

[FJRider]

The time to object to unfair government behaviour is when your government gives itself the powers to behave unfairly, not when they impliment them.

I believe that comment to be unfair. And based soley on your opinion.

So it must be wrong, but carry on ... it is amusing me .....

[bogan]

You all seem also ... to be confused with the difference between a quota and a statistic.

Statistics state a pass rate of a known and recorded percentage of those sitting the test.

A quota is a set number (ie:300 per month) that must pass the test. (Or in the case of the believed police quota ... a set minimum number they MUST issue [apparently] per day [or is it weekly or monthly ?? ])

If you're going to try and talk semantics, at least use a dictionary first Clearly, if you took the time to think about it, you would realise in both cases the quota affects the result. So it clearly isn't just a statistic (result).

quota (plural quotas)
A proportional part or share; the share or proportion assigned to each in a division.
A prescribed number or percentage that may serve as, for example, a maximum, a minimum, or a goal.  [quotations ▼]
(business, economics) A restriction on the import of something to a specific quantity.

[bogan]

Daves "point" came across as quota = huge conspiracy, NZTA ripoff etc. Not much of a balanced argument and solely reliant on the initial Herald article.

Forget about anything else such as the quote from an instructer that "It's a lot stricter" or "They're looking for more competancies". Perhaps it could have been a case of trialling the new test and having to adjust it.

What about the fact that 8900 applicants had their exams cut short due to critical errors such as collisions and ignoring testers instructions?

Good job if they are failing on technical non-ability. I just don't understand why a quota is required, just update the testers to test to the new standard of technical skills. Maybe it was more of an offhand comment that has been blown out of proportion, which is why I'm disagreeing with those who say a quota is acceptable, rather than insisting this is what has happened.

[davereid]

A quota is a set number (ie:300 per month) that must pass the test.

Yeah lets apply it to WOFS.

Test em all. Then fail the worst 60%.

[FJRider]

If you're going to try and talk semantics, at least use a dictionary first Clearly, if you took the time to think about it, you would realise in both cases the quota affects the result. So it clearly isn't just a statistic (result).

quota (plural quotas)
A proportional part or share; the share or proportion assigned to each in a division.
A prescribed number or percentage that may serve as, for example, a maximum, a minimum, or a goal.  [quotations ▼]
(business, economics) A restriction on the import of something to a specific quantity.

You can't be aware of a final percentage of pass rate until the end of the month. When it becomes a statistic.

As you stated above in (a) ... a goal to be achieved .... and restricted to that goal.

If statistics show the goal is being surpassed .... either the test is too easy (and thus should be toughened, or the driver skill level of those tested is high. Personally ... I'm going with the former ...

Also ... I'm glad you know how to access a dictionary now ... perhaps we can expect more intelligent posts from you ...

[Oblivion]

Having a quota for a skill based test is something where someone will always undeservingly get the short end of the stick. Mostly because there is no way to prejudge someones level of competence, without being next to them doing the test. As such, people whos skills are borderline passable can sneak through the system, while someones skills are where they should be, can fall flat.

A system where a set % of people are failed on purpose is disgusting and always will be ( I've always believed that if you have the skills to do it correctly and safely (If applicable) you should pass ), but in the more than likely event that it doesn't change, I would be all for waiting 24 hours to hear whether I passed or not so the best will pass and the ones who are slack will fail.

[FJRider]

Yeah lets apply it to WOFS.

Test em all. Then fail the worst 60%.

How can you tell if the ones tested on Monday ... will be better (or worse) than the ones tested on Friday ... ???

[davereid]

How can you tell if the ones tested on Monday ... will be better (or worse) than the ones tested on Friday ... ???

Well if its standards based it doesn't matter.

A new Lexus dealership may have a 99% pass rate, while Hongis Auto Werks in South Auckland has a 10% pass rate.

But if its quota based, the Lexus man will get a call to say he is passing too many, and Hongi will get a call to say he is not passing enough.