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    Quote Originally Posted by Glowerss View Post
    Matters a great deal when it comes time to drag your wounded 150+ KG squad member away from the fighting.
    An ex of mine joined the air force a while back. About 60kg. She was given the M60 to lug around at basic training.

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    Send them bitches back to the kitchen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glowerss View Post
    Women can and should serve in combat roles, so long as they pass the exact same requirements as men.

    Currently, not so.
    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    I'm all for giving women the chance...but in reality, wouldn't expect many to make it through to the elite tiers of military combat oriented units (SEALS, Rangers, Delta etc.) The rigours of the selection phases are hard enough for males, will be few females who a) give it a go and b) have what it takes to pass. There will be some gutsy, extremely conditioned and mentally tough women who will crack it though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glowerss View Post
    Matters a great deal when it comes time to drag your wounded 150+ KG squad member away from the fighting.

    I have no problem with equality in any walk of life, so long as it's actual equality. Selective equality is just sexism in favor of.

    Women can and should serve in combat roles, so long as they pass the exact same requirements as men.

    Currently, not so.

    There was an article not too long ago about women trying to get into combat roles. Women Personal training scores are weighted HEAVILY in their favour. Going from memory, in order to score high on their PT, men have to do something like 60+ Pullups. It's like, 10 for women.

    Same thing with running. Men need to do 1.6 kilometres in 11 minutes vs womens 20.

    I wouldn't want to be in combat with somebody who was physically much weaker or has much less stamina then I. If your life is relying on the person next to you, you'd really want them to be as strong and fit as possible.

    You wouldn't feel all that secure knowing that some people in your squad got through doing significantly less simply because they were female.
    20 mns for 1.6kms? That's bullshit, that's what it is! I do 2.4 kms in just under 14 mins and I've only started training again for a couple of months.

    But as much as I understand where you are coming from, I would say you overlook a few things such as women's capacity for endurance, higher pain threshold, the ability to think clearly under pressure, and the nurturing capacity which make them very defensive of those they care about...natural capabilities that make them extremely combat worthy and to be blunt, better than guys in some respect.

    It is not about overruling men in combat but it is about acknowledging the fact that there are as yet untapped resources in the use of female members, which can seriously benefit the armed forces.

    I am however in agreement with you when it comes to training needing to be the same. Fair is fair, and if you can't have the goods, then no point playing with the boys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stirts View Post
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    Retreat! They've deployed the PMS team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedder View Post
    Retreat! They've deployed the PMS team.
    No body move... I dropped my brain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    I'm all for giving women the chance...but in reality, wouldn't expect many to make it through to the elite tiers of military combat oriented units (SEALS, Rangers, Delta etc.) The rigours of the selection phases are hard enough for males, will be few females who a) give it a go and b) have what it takes to pass. There will be some gutsy, extremely conditioned and mentally tough women who will crack it though.
    I think you will be very very surprised ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007XX View Post
    20 mns for 1.6kms? That's bullshit, that's what it is! I do 2.4 kms in just under 14 mins and I've only started training again for a couple of months.
    That's just in the door. Eventually the'll expect you to do it in fatigues, a helmet, and carrying 30kg of ballast in your back pack. After having humped 25km the day prior.

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    22 January 2013. American military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan in the last decade have had a tremendous impact on Moslem, Iraqi, and Afghan cultures. One of the more profound impacts was Moslems seeing American women serving in the military. Nearly 300,000 American military women served in Iraq and Afghanistan. Over 700 were killed or wounded in action. Moslem women and men were impressed with these infidel (non-Moslem) who were real soldiers. They wore the uniform, the body armour, carried weapons, and could fight. Despite resistance from many men, there is more pressure in Moslem countries to let women serve in the local military.

    Pakistan, which saw female American troops passing through and heard a lot of the stories of these women warriors doing their jobs next door in Afghanistan, is witnessing growing pressure to allow Pakistani women to operate like American women in the military. Currently, Pakistani attitudes towards women in the military are about a century behind the West. While about 4,000 women serve in the Pakistani military, 90 percent are doctors and nurses. The rest are also technical specialists, brought in mainly because there were not enough technically qualified men to meet the need.

    One technical specialty that even Moslem nations turn to the women for is pilots. Noting the success of female military pilots in the United States over the last three decades, an increasing number of other countries are moving in that direction as well. The reason is simple, many of the women who go through flight training turn out to have better flying skills than the average male pilot.

    American use of female military pilots goes back a long way. During World War II (1939-45) the United States used women pilots to ferry military aircraft around, including bringing them to the airfields combat missions were flown from. These female pilots were considered civilian contractors but some male pilots could not help but notice that many of these women were very good pilots. In Russia the need for good pilots led to hundreds of women being put to work flying bombers and fighters in combat. But in Russia, as elsewhere, the women were removed from airplanes when the war was over. It took another three decades before the women regained in peacetime the jobs they had in wartime. Now several dozen nations, most in the West, employ women as military combat and non-combat pilots.

    Many countries, however, have cultural problems with female pilots. For example, India and Pakistan (which graduated its first female pilots four years ago) are both having a hard time keeping male pilots in uniform. Too many of the men depart for more lucrative, and less stressful, careers as commercial pilots. But in these two countries women may not be the solution. Currently, only about half of women officers stay in past their initial five year contract. Indian women, even military pilots, are under tremendous social and family pressure to marry. Those that do may still be pilots but married women are under a lot of pressure to have children. The Indian Air Force provides its female officers with ten months leave for this, six months during pregnancy and four months after delivery. The air force does this because pilots are very expensive to train. Fuel costs the same everywhere, as do spare parts. So what India may save in lower salaries is not enough. A good pilot costs over half a million dollars for training expenses and takes over five years to train. So the Indians are betting a lot of money and time on keeping their female pilots flying. Many women are willing to take up the challenge. But they have already heard from their peers in Western air force that motherhood and piloting can be a very exhausting combination.

    Worldwide women are increasingly part of the military. In many nations over ten percent of military personnel are female. In the U.S. military it’s now 15 percent. A century ago it was under one percent (and most of those were nurses and other medical personnel). More women are in uniform now because there aren't enough qualified men, especially for many of the technical jobs armed forces now have to deal with.
    Islamic nations have higher illiteracy rates overall and very high rates for women. These nations have a severe shortage of technically trained people. Those women that do get an education in Islamic cultures tend to be very bright and able. So there's a need and a solution close at hand. But because of those religious restrictions, and the generally very macho attitudes in Islamic nations, there will never be as many women in uniform as are needed. This means that Islamic armed forces will continue to come up short when it comes to maintaining and using military technology. The future of military operations is more technology, so you can see where this is leading. No wonder Islamic radicals want to go back to the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007XX View Post
    20 mns for 1.6kms? That's bullshit, that's what it is! I do 2.4 kms in just under 14 mins and I've only started training again for a couple of months.
    YES. Average walking speed for a human is about 5ks per hour ... so 20 mins for 1.6ks is only walking speed ... (5kph = 12 mins per k so 1.6 ks = 12x1.6= 19.2 minutes)

    Maybe the women take 20 mins to do 1.6ks because they window shop as they go? (but seriously Glowerss .. it's a bullshit suggestion)
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    it is a a good tactical move.

    If a squad comes under heavy fire and are trapped they can just send one of the gals out topless to distract the other side giving them time to relocate and shoot the buggers.

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    Ohhhh yeah, civilian contractors!


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    Quote Originally Posted by imdying View Post
    Eventually the'll expect you to do it in fatigues, a helmet, and carrying 30kg of ballast in your back pack.
    Only 30?
    A modern LBV with body armour you are looking at a minimum of 14kg just there.
    A mate humps that, plus 8 x 30rd mags, 6 mags for the 226 + 1 on the thigh holster. Add on water, comms, frag and smoke grenades...

    Get an "interesting" op and that goes up considerably.

    Then you get to the backpack...

    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    Maybe the women take 20 mins to do 1.6ks because they window shop as they go?
    They are doing it in stiletto heels?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllanB View Post
    it is a a good tactical move.

    If a squad comes under heavy fire and are trapped they can just send one of the gals out topless to distract the other side giving them time to relocate and shoot the buggers.

    Wouldn't work if the other side were not interested...

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    Quote Originally Posted by swoop View Post
    they are doing it in stiletto heels?
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