Collected some revenue today

[Waihou Thumper]

I thought crossing double yellow lines warrants instant disqualification, loss of licence?
Has this changed or was I always wrong?

[FJRider]

Are you highway patrol??????

If so ..... what are the circumstances a vehicle can A/Stop on a bus stop and B/ park on a bus stop?

(Park in my thoughts are when the driver has turned off the vehicle and exited it) otherwise in my understanding he has just 'stopped' not parked.

In the road code on the list of places you can not stop.

1. on a marked bus stop or taxi stand

2. closer than 6 metres to a bus stop marked only by a sign

[Zedder]

Well, a bit of a fail for "blood" themed puns there, so I'll just go and read a book...

[rastuscat]

Are you highway patrol??????

If so ..... what are the circumstances a vehicle can A/Stop on a bus stop and B/ park on a bus stop?

(Park in my thoughts are when the driver has turned off the vehicle and exited it) otherwise in my understanding he has just 'stopped' not parked.

parking means stopping or standing in an area of road not normally used for traffic flow.

if you wanna park in a bus stop, drive a scheduled bus.

[rastuscat]

Are you highway patrol??????

If so ..... what are the circumstances a vehicle can A/Stop on a bus stop and B/ park on a bus stop?

(Park in my thoughts are when the driver has turned off the vehicle and exited it) otherwise in my understanding he has just 'stopped' not parked.

parking means stopping or standing in an area of road not normally used for traffic flow.

if you wanna park in a bus stop, drive a scheduled bus.

[swbarnett]

Wow, quantum leap dude.

A law YOU decided was 'unjust' = concentration camp torture and slaughter...

Perhaps I wasn't clear. What you seem to be saying is that you'll enforce a law just because it's a law. Irrespective of whether or not you personally agree with it. I used the Nuremburg reference to illustrate that blindly following the orders of TPTB is no excuse for enforcing an unjust law. If you actually believe the law to just then I have no problem with your decision to enforce it (even though I may think it unjust). However, enforcing a law that you believe to be unjust simply because it's a law is hypocritical.

[swbarnett]

Whoa ... no that does not follow ... neither does the Nuremberg link .. which was not about enforcing the law .. but the "following orders" defense ...

It may not have been a statute but a military order amounts to the same thing.

If we accept that the laws are the community agreements for moderating behaviours

Ah, but this is where the law falls down. Laws are not community agreements, they are the personal agenda of one or more politicians.

then yes, the law is the law and needs to be enforced ... no exceptions ... some might think that some laws are unjust, are a joke and unecesasary - that is an argument for the community we live in ...

For law enforcement officers like Scummie - the law is the law and their job is to enforce it - not to argue about it's justice etc .. (courts are there to argue justice in specific cases) cops can engage in the community discussion as private citizens .. from a popo pov ... justice or injustice doesn't come into it - enforcing the community will does ... the law is the law.. no exceptions ...

Are you actually trying to say that the police that used to lay into any black man who chose to sit in the wrong seat on the bus were justified because they were enfrcing a law? Every police officer has a conscience and I expect them to use it. Civil disobedience is a perfectly valid way to change a law; a cop refusing to enforce a law they believe to be blatantly wrong is part of this. If they believe in the law they're enforcing then I support them in that enforcement, even though I may think they've got it wrong.

Remember - all that is require for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing.

[Scuba_Steve]

parking means stopping or standing in an area of road not normally used for traffic flow.

are you sure?
I haven't looked into it, but I do know we have both no parking & no stopping signs about implying they are 2 different things.
I thought to be parked there was some requirement for engine to be off &/ the driver to leave the vehicle? like I said I could be wrong I haven't looked into legal definition of them.

[rastuscat]

are you sure?
I haven't looked into it, but I do know we have both no parking & no stopping signs about implying they are 2 different things.
I thought to be parked there was some requirement for engine to be off &/ the driver to leave the vehicle? like I said I could be wrong I haven't looked into legal definition of them.

parking means,—
(a)in relation to a portion of a road where parking is for the time being governed by the location of parking machines placed under the authority of a bylaw of a local authority, the stopping or standing of a vehicle on that portion of the road for any period exceeding 5 minutes:
(b)in relation to any other portion of a road, the stopping or standing of a vehicle (other than a vehicle picking up or setting down passengers in a loading zone or reserved parking area, and entitled to do so) on that portion of the road

Thats what the Road User Rule says. It doesnt say anything about the engine being off, the driver being present, anything like that. It just says stopping or standing.

The difference is shown by the difference between a bus stop and a bus stand. At a bus stop, folk can get on and off. On a bus stand, it's a place for a driver to stop his bus but not have people getting on and off.

No stopping and no parking...............surely it's clear what they mean.

Have a look at http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/ru...html#schedule1

That bit refers to what signs have to look like, and what they mean.

Youi could find all that stuff out by looking at online legislation, but I guess you'd need to know what to look for.

This link takes you to the Land Transport Rule : Traffic Control Devices 2004

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/results.html?catid=84

Its as boring as bat shit, but has the answers to your questions.

[Scuba_Steve]

Cheers Mr. RCat
The legislation site could definitely do with a better search engine, but then as mentioned I've never bothered to search out parking either (& didn't have time this morn) just seen the 2 different types of signs out on the street.

[rastuscat]

Cheers Mr. RCat
The legislation site could definitely do with a better search engine, but then as mentioned I've never bothered to search out parking either (& didn't have time this morn) just seen the 2 different types of signs out on the street.

Hey Skoober. Someone has hacked your account. It's the first time you've said anything nice to me, so it must have been someone else.

[unstuck]

Love is in the air.

[Scuba_Steve]

Hey Skoober. Someone has hacked your account. It's the first time you've said anything nice to me, so it must have been someone else.

Hey this aint the 1st time

Cheers Mr Cat, this is the best I found too. My problem is that I cannot find mention of what "no-passing lines" are, I've failed to find any legislation stating yellow lines are no-passing lines & no passing-lines are yellow.
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Ah excellent, donut on me.
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And it probably won't be the last, I give credit where credit's due but equally I do the opposite where due

[Banditbandit]

It may not have been a statute but a military order amounts to the same thing.

Not acording to the My Lai and Nuremburg decisions ...

Ah, but this is where the law falls down. Laws are not community agreements, they are the personal agenda of one or more politicians.

The theory of democracy (yes - I accept "theory") is that the politicians are our elected representatives .. and if enough people dislike the laws they pass they vote the bastards out ... The fact that they do not get voted out means the majority of the people support the laws they pass .. or at least don't give a toss ... and don't vote them out ...

Are you actually trying to say that the police that used to lay into any black man who chose to sit in the wrong seat on the bus were justified because they were enfrcing a law?

No - I'm saying in their own minds they were justified ... they may be wrong .. but they believed in their own justification

Every police officer has a conscience and I expect them to use it.

I'm sorry - I do not want to live in a society where the police officers have that power . That is way to much power for individuals to have an exercise ... a police officer who is opposed to abortion may take it into his own head not to arrest a person who has murdered an abortion doctor (because in his or her mind that murder was a justified killing) ... not a position we can be in ... when individual police get to decide the law ... That;s JUdge Dread territory ..

Civil disobedience is a perfectly valid way to change a law;

Yes - no argument there ...

a cop refusing to enforce a law they believe to be blatantly wrong is part of this.

Cops don't get to decide which laws to enforce or not ... Maybe they beleive it is wrong to punish people who castrate rapists? Or believe it is not wrong to shoot speeding motorcyclists? Cops do not get to make those decisions ...

If they believe in the law they're enforcing then I support them in that enforcement, even though I may think they've got it wrong.

Huh ???? ... So if they believe in EVERY law on our books enforcing those laws will not be wrong? Isn't that a complete reversal of your position???

Remember - all that is require for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing.

I know that one well ... and get the quote right!!!

[Scuba_Steve]

The theory of democracy (yes - I accept "theory") is that the politicians are our elected representatives .. and if enough people dislike the laws they pass they vote the bastards out ... The fact that they do not get voted out means the majority of the people support the laws they pass .. or at least don't give a toss ... and don't vote them out ...

That's not democracy in theory, idealistic or even literal.
It is close-ish to the practice people falsely call "democracy" however. Except not getting voted out has no relation to support of individual laws passed & voting out doesn't change anything anyways, which is probably why there's no relation (other than the fact they're just like gangs. Would you like Bloods or Crips to oppress you?... choices, choices).