MotoGP 2013

**raziel1983** · 7th February 2013, 18:15

Originally Posted by tail_end_charlie

Personally I think thats a load of shit, and that the satellite teams should get the same bikes as the factory, the only difference would be in the riders. Seems like thats what Honda and Ducati are doing this year. Freakin' step up Yamaha! (They might need to if they want the constructors championship too, what with both Bradle and Bautista on factory Hondas.)

I'm pretty sure Bautista's bike isn't on the same level as the Repsols, I believe he is forced to run Showa suspenders and Nissin brakes, as opposed to the Ohlins and Brembo gear the big boys get.

**tail_end_charlie** · 7th February 2013, 18:54

Originally Posted by raziel1983

I'm pretty sure Bautista's bike isn't on the same level as the Repsols, I believe he is forced to run Showa suspenders and Nissin brakes, as opposed to the Ohlins and Brembo gear the big boys get.

-Correct on the Showa suspension. Bautista is the only MotoGP rider on Showa, and if I understand correctly they did have the choice to run Ohlins, but they were "encouraged" by Honda to run Showa. (Because Honda has stakes in Showa and still want them racing.) The testing in late Nov that the Gresini team did at Sepang was to try new Showa suspension to see if they wanted to run them for the 2013 season. Evidently they thought it was good enough.

-Both Bradl and Bautista run the Nissin brakes as opposed to Brembo.

I think (and someone will probably come along and correct me if I'm wrong) that the satellite teams have some choice in what suspenders/brakes they can run. The factory bike (engine, electronics, frame, swingarm, wheels, and bodywork) that Honda supplies in which I was referring to is the same as the factory team gets.

So if the team doesn't run Ohlins or Brembos, it could very well be down to the budget of the team (just like what Robert was saying in his posts) not being able to afford the ultimate top shelf stuff; that stuff may not come with the lease price of the bike. I know last year Cal and Dovi were exchanging a few words over brakes because one of them had the top shelf stuff and the other one was one iteration back. That leads me to believe that its the teams decision.

**BMWST?** · 7th February 2013, 19:26

bautista gets showa cos honda wants showa in the game.They cant have the factory bike on showa cos ohlins is the top of the heap at the moment.

**Mental Trousers** · 7th February 2013, 19:28

Ok, so I used the analysis these guys did on the first day for the second day. Here's the numbers

Code:

Laps under the lap record
Dani          Jorge          Marquez        Rossi
9/37 (24%)    22/52 (42%)    14/34 (41%)    21/45 (47%)

Times in the 2:00's, low 2:01's and high 2:01's and higher
                         Dani    Jorge    Marquez    Rossi
2:00.0 - 2:00.9          22%     14%      14%        0%
2:01.0 - 2:00.4          56%     59%      21%        33%
2:01.5 - 2:02.108        22%     27%      64%        67%    

Average lap time under the lap record
Dani       Jorge      Marquez    Rossi
02:01.2    02:01.3    02:01.5    02:01.6

Things are remarkably consistent with day 1, even though the fastest laps are lower than day 1's. Looks like they're testing at race pace alright.

**Bender** · 7th February 2013, 20:39

Originally Posted by tail_end_charlie

I know last year Cal and Dovi were exchanging a few words over brakes because one of them had the top shelf stuff and the other one was one iteration back.

I thought Cal paid for his own Brembos - 50K Euros.

From Christian Gabbarini (via Jose G. Maroto on twitter): "In many ways (Marquez) resembles Casey"
"He is very sensitive on the gas. Already begun to understand how to make the bike slide"

T'is gunna be good.

Wonder how long Audi's patience lasts with Ducati...

**BMWST?** · 7th February 2013, 20:42

Originally Posted by Bender

I thought Cal paid for his own Brembos - 50K Euros.

From Christian Gabbarini (via Jose G. Maroto on twitter): "In many ways (Marquez) resembles Casey"
"He is very sensitive on the gas. Already begun to understand how to make the bike slide"

T'is gunna be good.

Wonder how long Audi's patience lasts with Ducati...

twas dovi who paid for the new brembos

**Wingnut** · 7th February 2013, 20:48

Originally Posted by Bender

I thought Cal paid for his own Brembos - 50K Euros.

From Christian Gabbarini (via Jose G. Maroto on twitter): "In many ways (Marquez) resembles Casey"
"He is very sensitive on the gas. Already begun to understand how to make the bike slide"

T'is gunna be good.

Wonder how long Audi's patience lasts with Ducati...

WTF!!! Don't these guys make millions per season? If so - whats $50k! Fuck I'd be like "Just put it on me tab" your not gonna notice it

**BMWST?** · 7th February 2013, 20:51

Originally Posted by Wingnut

WTF!!! Don't these guys make millions per season? If so - whats $50k! Fuck I'd be like "Just put it on me tab" your not gonna notice it

not sure that crutchlow would be on millions...dovi prolly more likely he is #4 after all.I think the factory boys are the real high paid ones

**Bender** · 7th February 2013, 20:55

Originally Posted by Wingnut

WTF!!! Don't these guys make millions per season? If so - whats $50k! Fuck I'd be like "Just put it on me tab" your not gonna notice it

That's Euros, not dollars.

Ah Dovi bought his Brembos, my mistake.

**Robert Taylor** · 7th February 2013, 21:15

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Man you hated Stoner bad! MM is unreal. But even you must admit...he reminds you of Stoner on the bike!

Stoner came from a penal colony. As I have Spanish ancestors Ill go with Jorge. Marc and ( grudgingly ) that little fast guy

**Robert Taylor** · 7th February 2013, 21:16

Originally Posted by raziel1983

I'm pretty sure Bautista's bike isn't on the same level as the Repsols, I believe he is forced to run Showa suspenders and Nissin brakes, as opposed to the Ohlins and Brembo gear the big boys get.

Im pretty sure that the team is running Ohlins this year. As an aside the Kawasaki WSBK team tested Ohlins during the off season and were immediately faster. The riders really liked it but politics intervened.

**steveyb** · 7th February 2013, 21:37

Will we see a return to the years of a million RS500's and the like in privateer hands on the grid???

He commented: "Both riders are working very hard testing several items. With Dani, some items he was happy about, some unhappy - but this is normal for winter testing. Marc, now that he’s riding a MotoGP™ machine he is not testing items, but getting to know and understand the bike." When prompted whether he was surprised by the rookie’s pace he said: "To be honest not surprised, but a little bit quicker than I expected."

He also mentioned that he expected the two other Honda riders, in the form of LCR Honda MotoGP’s Stefan Bradl and Go & Fun Honda Gresini’s Álvaro Bautista, to improve their performances this year. Bradl, he said, could be a serious podium contender this year, while Bautista could at least double his podium tally from last season.

Finally he spoke about Honda’s "production racer", which will be a cheaper option for satellite teams from 2014: "We’ll make a factory spec bike, but the engine is a bit different with a valve spring system and a standard transmission. The chassis we are trying to make a little bit cheaper, but to keep the performance is not easy. This is the reason our schedule is a little bit delayed." The bike is set to run the Magneti Marelli hardware and Dorna software, and will be fully available to all riders for the first test after the Valencia GP this year.

**tail_end_charlie** · 7th February 2013, 23:13

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

Im pretty sure that the team is running Ohlins this year. As an aside the Kawasaki WSBK team tested Ohlins during the off season and were immediately faster. The riders really liked it but politics intervened.

HRC Sepang Private Testing in late November included Bradl, Bautista, and MM.

"Bautista spent more time evaluating the Showa suspension and new brake parts from Nissin, as part of a program to decide whether to continue with the Japanese-built suspension and brakes or not. At the end of the test, Bautista told Jose Maroto of Spanish magazine Motociclismo that he and the team had decided to continue with the Showa suspension, a decision that will please HRC, as Honda plan to use Showa suspension on their production racer to be launched in 2014."

Thats the last information that I've heard that indicates Bautista is running Showa..............................that and the Showa stickers on his bike at the current test......................

**Robert Taylor** · 8th February 2013, 07:08

Originally Posted by tail_end_charlie

HRC Sepang Private Testing in late November included Bradl, Bautista, and MM.

"Bautista spent more time evaluating the Showa suspension and new brake parts from Nissin, as part of a program to decide whether to continue with the Japanese-built suspension and brakes or not. At the end of the test, Bautista told Jose Maroto of Spanish magazine Motociclismo that he and the team had decided to continue with the Showa suspension, a decision that will please HRC, as Honda plan to use Showa suspension on their production racer to be launched in 2014."

Thats the last information that I've heard that indicates Bautista is running Showa..............................that and the Showa stickers on his bike at the current test......................

Cheers, my last information ( from other sources ) preceded that. Theres a lot of politics interspersed into all this as well, makes it interesting!