Bucket GP 2013

**Henk** · 12th February 2013, 05:36

Originally Posted by Kickaha

What happens when someone on a day licence and not being able to qualify for podium/points/title fucks up someone race who can? you should either have the correct licence or not be racing it

Letting effectively non competitors ride in the GP was suggested, and that was exactly the argument used successfully against it. I've asked what the deal is on licences because the rule book isn't exactly clear on it and I've spent quite a bit of time going through it over the past couple of days.

On the other hande, if you can't ride the GP you will miss out on one race that weekend out of what will still be a busy weekend of racing if it all goes off, and it's a bloody awesome track. I still can't decide if it or Kaitoke is my favourite kart track.

**crazy man** · 12th February 2013, 06:19

Originally Posted by Kickaha

What happens when someone on a day licence and not being able to qualify for podium/points/title fucks up someone race who can? you should either have the correct licence or not be racing it

but 6 bikes would look silly at a gp. lf your good enough you should be able to get through the back markers ok and if the are A graders in to first place. the worst thing about gps at kart track is ( its hard to over take somone as fast as you ) big tracks are easy.

**Henk** · 12th February 2013, 07:41

Originally Posted by crazy man

but 6 bikes would look silly at a gp. lf your good enough you should be able to get through the back markers ok and if the are A graders in to first place. the worst thing about gps at kart track is ( its hard to over take somone as fast as you ) big tracks are easy.

The potential issue is two guys at the front battling for position coming up on a back marker somewhere that there is no room for three bikes wide and because the at the front battling for the lead going in three wide anyway. At the end of the day it's up to the steward on the day and if I ws filling that job I wouldn't be comfortable with the situation. I know that full licences if required will cut down on teh entries for the GP but I'd like to think there would be more than six anyway.

**F5 Dave** · 12th February 2013, 09:11

Originally Posted by Henk

. . but I'd like to think there would be more than six anyway.

Might scupper the F5 again as added expense was what stopped a lot more people bringing a 50 as well.

**F5 Dave** · 12th February 2013, 09:13

Originally Posted by crazy man

. . . the worst thing about gps at kart track is ( its hard to over take somone as fast as you ) big tracks are easy.

Agreed, a GP should be a longish track. It was run at Mt wgtn for a few years which was a drag, but on the balance was a whole lot better than not running it at all so good on Auckland club for putting the option up for Toke & hopefully we can race somewhere else in later years.

**kel** · 12th February 2013, 09:46

Originally Posted by Henk

The potential issue is two guys at the front battling for position coming up on a back marker somewhere that there is no room for three bikes wide and because the at the front battling for the lead going in three wide anyway.

Love it! All part of racing

(except when Im the one that ends up in the grass)

We just need to accept the licence requirement for the GP (once confirmed). Problem is anyone can buy a MNZ licence, club or championship. The speed issue can only fully be dealt with through qualifying cut offs. Maybe throw in a flag reading test ...

Anyways hurry up and confirm a date already.

**Henk** · 12th February 2013, 10:04

Right

The official word from MNZ is that the GP is a recognised NZ Championship therefore anyone who wants to compete in it requires the full Licence.
Not what I wanted to hear but at least we have an answer and can go forward.
On a club licence you can still turn up and ride all the races on the weekend except for the GPs.

**Henk** · 12th February 2013, 10:22

Originally Posted by F5 Dave

Might scupper the F5 again as added expense was what stopped a lot more people bringing a 50 as well.

You, one of the Diproses, Michelle, Tim, One of the Fords, Me
there are six definite starters, with luck Max Olsen will rock up and I'm sure we can put somebody on Cullys bike as well. Luke may rock up on Shonas bike if he is riding the F4 GP.

The numbers are potentially there and for anyone that has an F5 bike lurking about drag it along, since this meeting (If it happens) will be run along the lines of an Auckland club round there will probably be no charge for cross entries so you get two GPs for the price of one.

**crazy man** · 12th February 2013, 11:14

Originally Posted by F5 Dave

Agreed, a GP should be a longish track. It was run at Mt wgtn for a few years which was a drag, but on the balance was a whole lot better than not running it at all so good on Auckland club for putting the option up for Toke & hopefully we can race somewhere else in later years.

agree better than nothing and is the best kart track for the job

**seymour14** · 12th February 2013, 11:17

As a newby, I would be keen on a seperate B-Grade event (suspect that's where I will be), so no need for a full license. Back in the day there was no requirement to have a full license to be the "Swinger" on an outfit in the GP either.

Can't for the life of me remember if I had the full license or not at the time, but I certainly got two GP titles as a Swinger in 1999 and 2000. With todays rules, do you both need full licenses or not? $200 is a lot to hang onto the side of a chair!

I am asking because if one person has paid up (the rider), surely that passes the test. Otherwise MNZ are essentially getting $400 for one 20 lap race (assuming).

I hope this one just remains at the discretion of the bucket fraternity.

**ac3_snow** · 12th February 2013, 13:37

Originally Posted by seymour14

As a newby, I would be keen on a seperate B-Grade event (suspect that's where I will be), so no need for a full license. Back in the day there was no requirement to have a full license to be the "Swinger" on an outfit in the GP either.

Can't for the life of me remember if I had the full license or not at the time, but I certainly got two GP titles as a Swinger in 1999 and 2000. With todays rules, do you both need full licenses or not? $200 is a lot to hang onto the side of a chair!

I am asking because if one person has paid up (the rider), surely that passes the test. Otherwise MNZ are essentially getting $400 for one 20 lap race (assuming).

I hope this one just remains at the discretion of the bucket fraternity.

not saying I agree with it but it is in the rule book unfortunately.

5.2.9 A sidecar combination competing in any competition other than Record
Attempts must carry a passenger. Passengers are deemed to be competitors
and must have the appropriate current licence.

Obviously the licence system doesn't work very well in this situation (if it wasn't for the GP it would be a great system as we have been racing all year with only a $100 licence!), but thats the reason we have gone for somewhere like Tokoroa, so that we don't have to charge stupid money just to get on the track. The idea is that the money saved on entry fees will give you abit of change left over to pay for the licence upgrade so you can have a crack at the nz GP tittle for those that wish.
And for those who don't wish to pay the extra $100 to MNZ there will still be a whole weekends worth of club racing which everyone can compete in.

**Henk** · 12th February 2013, 14:44

What AC3 said.

also we haven't finalised on the event happening yet let alone a programme but I'm sure we can throw in a B grade endurance race to keep things ticking along. Regarding the sidecars, I'm going to suggest that we apply for the sidecar GP if we go ahead with the meeting but unfortunately suspect that there is no way we will get the required six entries even if the licences weren't at issue. I can only think of four sidecars running semi regularly at the moment and I know at least one of them won't be coming.