MNZ and the internet

**Deano** · 21st February 2013, 15:54

Make sure it isn't anonymous. People are less likely to act like cocks.

**scrivy** · 21st February 2013, 16:02

Guys and Gals........

Most of you are aware that I will always stand up for the underdog, or in my opinion those that are unfairly treated.
Has that meant I have come to loggerheads with MNZ?? Absofuckenlutely, most well documented!!

But................ from what I can see looming in the motorcycle scene in the near future, I seriously think we need to have more dialogue with MNZ regarding the issues that us racers have.

I can see us losing street circuits, and I can also see us losing Pukekohe. What will be after that?? I mean, Taupo and Hampers are both cash strapped. How many places are there going to be left for us all to have our fun on, to use the equipment we have massively invested in?

I am not sure about it being run by 'MNZ', as others have given good reasons for and against it, but after speaking to Billy the other night, I do know he is spending a truck (and trailer) load of his time to help us out, for the betterment of us all. How many others will put their hand up to take ownership?? Im guessing none....

Not allowing past racers, or crew, stewards, sponsors etc to remark is possibly not the best either.
BUT....... if it is a closed forum, then who cares if 'sensitive' remarks or comments are made? General public cannot access it. So they do not get to see us in a negative light.

Alot of up to the minute relevant info can be discussed with input from us all. Is that a bad thing??

Errr...... and no, I'm not sucking Billys dick........

For common sense and peoples safety we have to get shit sorted.

**scrivy** · 21st February 2013, 16:07

To keep people interested, they could always add links to new pornsites......................

I'd keep coming for a 'Look'......

**scrivy** · 21st February 2013, 16:08

Originally Posted by Deano

Make sure it isn't anonymous. People are less likely to act like cocks.

Shouldn't be any other way.

**Kiwi Graham:Me** · 21st February 2013, 16:10

Shane could probably answer this but couldn't there be a restricted access area here on KB?
For example access gained via MNZ reg No's

**tail_end_charlie** · 21st February 2013, 16:13

Originally Posted by scrivy

Guys and Gals........

Most of you are aware that I will always stand up for the underdog, or in my opinion those that are unfairly treated.
Has that meant I have come to loggerheads with MNZ?? Absofuckenlutely, most well documented!!

But................ from what I can see looming in the motorcycle scene in the near future, I seriously think we need to have more dialogue with MNZ regarding the issues that us racers have.

I can see us losing street circuits, and I can also see us losing Pukekohe. What will be after that?? I mean, Taupo and Hampers are both cash strapped. How many places are there going to be left for us all to have our fun on, to use the equipment we have massively invested in?

I am not sure about it being run by 'MNZ', as others have given good reasons for and against it, but after speaking to Billy the other night, I do know he is spending a truck (and trailer) load of his time to help us out, for the betterment of us all. How many others will put their hand up to take ownership?? Im guessing none....

Not allowing past racers, or crew, stewards, sponsors etc to remark is possibly not the best either.
BUT....... if it is a closed forum, then who cares if 'sensitive' remarks or comments are made? General public cannot access it. So they do not get to see us in a negative light.

Alot of up to the minute relevant info can be discussed with input from us all. Is that a bad thing??

Errr...... and no, I'm not sucking Billys dick........

For common sense and peoples safety we have to get shit sorted.

Holy Shit! Did scrivy just post something serious??? Surely that can't happen too often.

Originally Posted by scrivy

To keep people interested, they could always add links to new pornsites......................

I'd keep coming for a 'Look'......

Thats more like it........

**RobGassit** · 21st February 2013, 16:18

Originally Posted by tail_end_charlie

Holy Shit! Did scrivy just post something serious??? Surely that can't happen too often.

Thats more like it........

He obviously left his computer unattended, and a girl scout tapped out a few replies while he was entertaining the other one with his etchings..

**Dave-** · 21st February 2013, 16:21

This is how it should work

not yet-another-shitty-forum-that-no-one-will-use

**tail_end_charlie** · 21st February 2013, 16:22

Just to throw in my .02 cents here...

I have found KB to be very helpful from the standpoint of someone who is looking at getting into racing (once you filter through the 50% that is bs and trolling). There is a huge base of knowledge here that is easily accessed and very helpful to avoid some pitfalls if newbie's are willing to take advantage of it. I understand the reasons for wanting to have a seperate restricted access forum so that issues can be discussed between the actual competiters, officals, MNZ, ect, but I have a feeling that it would be difficult to get the kind of participation on that forum that you have here.

I don't really have any good idea's on how to help with the situation either though, and I'm sure there are plenty of people with way more expierence that will be able to come up with something. I'll follow this with interest, but I dont' think I'll have much to add for now.

**RobGassit** · 21st February 2013, 16:30

Does anyone remember Commi's Corner?

**Genestho** · 21st February 2013, 16:35

I can totally see the point, smart idea Billy! Some of the conversations here I feel harm the sport in terms of the bigger picture, Sponsorship.
Keep KB for the razzing, that's the fun stuff!

At least the whole interweb world won't be privy and able to access the "sensitive" stuff?

I doubt MNZ are going be critical of sensitive racing related topics discussed in a closed off forum, as opposed to a easily accessed - open to anyone - don't even need to sign up to read - public forum.

EDIT: And perhaps link a profile to the MNZ license? So everybody is open and there's no chance of anonymity.

**slowpoke** · 21st February 2013, 16:41

Some (much!) distance from KB is a good thing. The list of good people who have gotten the shits with, or shunned this joint entirely for some of the toxic crap going on is looooooooooong. A fresh start with personal visibility sounds good to me.

**Robert Taylor** · 21st February 2013, 17:02

Originally Posted by Billy

Over react much...Seriously?? There has long been a call for a forum for competotors only and in fact if you read through this section you will see Shaun actually tried on a number of occassions to do so,Of course it hasn't worked out because all and sundry think they should have a say and there are some areas that can not be discussed in the public domain for legal reasons,

Spend everybodys MNZ membership on what????

I own the domain name and I pay for it and it does not come out of my membership fee,I have asked for volunteers to help set it up and Marcus Wyatt has offered his services in that area,Once it is up and running,I will maintain as part of my position as roadrace commissioner which is also a volunteer position,So where is the cost?????

Before spouting your mouth off further,I suggest you have a good long talk to Steve or Scrivy about how the organisation runs,They have a good understanding and realise the huge amount of hours put in by huge army of volunteers to keep it all running,On that basis it is better for us to have our own forum so we can discuss the important stuff with those that matter to help move the sport forward.

Such a forum also needs to have the members name. Its amazing what people say when they hide behind a forum name, stuff that often they wouldnt have the intestinal fortitude for if they posted under their actual name