Dave Moss "Thank you very much for your hospitality, interest, and on bike successes"

[wasiler]

Yes indeed Dave has produced a number of great setup videos. So by implication and generalisation is every suspension tuner / supplier in New Zealand trying to extract every cent out of everyones pocket? Is there no-one in NZ looking out for the biking community?
I for one resent such an emotive line of thinking because I have the largest investment in the motorcycle suspension industry in NZ, by a huge margin and have done a lot of setup training and given a lot of people help either at no charge or very little charge.

Look Robert, don't get your panties in a wad. I never said you or anyone in particular. No need to be so defensive. However, you cannot tell me that such people do not exist. I for one resent such an implication that I would be directing that any anyone in particular. If you are doing good business, then you should have nothing to worry about. If Dave Moss came out and provided a service to benefit the motorcycling community, Kudos to him. You do what you have to do to run your shop, and I will do what I have to do as a consumer. This thread was originally for thanking Moss for his time and some people have decided to highjack this thread about themselves. Improper forum etiquette.

[Owl]

This thread was originally for thanking Moss for his time

No it wasn't!

[SPP]

Crack ups... a dozen posts and I’d forgotten how the thread started as well… this place.

Dave seminars and RT’s work seem complimentary to me.

[wasiler]

No it wasn't!

[Robert Taylor]

Look Robert, don't get your panties in a wad. I never said you or anyone in particular. No need to be so defensive. However, you cannot tell me that such people do not exist. I for one resent such an implication that I would be directing that any anyone in particular. If you are doing good business, then you should have nothing to worry about. If Dave Moss came out and provided a service to benefit the motorcycling community, Kudos to him. You do what you have to do to run your shop, and I will do what I have to do as a consumer. This thread was originally for thanking Moss for his time and some people have decided to highjack this thread about themselves. Improper forum etiquette.

Really your implication was generalised and I fairly pointed out that not everyone is a rip off. Thats a common assumption rife on this often accursed forum. Note that I have been quick to point out Daves activities in a positive light and illustrated how in the case of one customer ( Chappy ) it was a win win for everyone, Dave, myself and above all Chappy. So another forum comment that the activities are compilimentary rings true

[JD Racing]

For 2014 I will be providing all kinds of opportunities to NZ riders including seminars and workshops, suspension tuning on and off track, rider coaching and track day and race classroom sessions at tracks or in the evenings to bring the full Dave Moss Tuning repertoire to NZ that US riders are so familiar with. There’s already a lot of riders verbally signed on for many of the above, so look for more details from Sam Neilson in various forums beginning in September of this year. When the announcements are made, book quickly as there will be limited numbers per event to keep the experience personal and much more detailed in regards to the topic covered (dirt race, dirt trail, dirt adventure, road, road track, road race, road race championship). I will try to keep groups in a single ability/skill category so we can go much deeper in to the topic.

In order to keep the momentum going from now until January 2014 I will be posting monthly to national and regional forums that want information for their members, or private rider/track/race groups where the information can be distributed to its members from a single point of contact. Along with that post, I will answer all the previous months questions in full making sure the answer is comprehensive for all. If you want to be the contact for your group, please email Sam in regards to this so he can distribute the information appropriately.

I will be back next year from the beginning of January through to the end of February at least, possibly into mid March. There are so many riders that need initial and continued help, guidance, advice and motivation and I want to continue with my mission in this regard to make all riders globally safer and more knowledgeable in helping others so that we all create a much stronger sense of community amongst our fellow riders whose bikes handle significantly better and are therefore substantially safer. I really care about every rider out there who has any kind of need for understanding rather than confusion.


Learn what you can at www.feelthetrack.com under the chassis set up video tab! It’s all free ☺ !!!

That to me reads like an advertisment for a commercial venture not a thanks thread. If Dave is intending to comply with the work visa requirements then fair play to him and good luck, a one off event is one thing, a regular venture is another.
It's bad enough that recognised US suspension companies are providing false invoices so that customs duties can be avoided by those importing goods undercutting local businesses, to start coming over profiteering off the hard yards put in by established local enterprises illegally is not on.

[Edbear]

Seems it isn't just the Yanks who are cynical conspiracy theorists... I see Dave and Robert's posts in a positive light without feeling the need to question their motives or the legality of what Dave did. For goodness sake, they are in business in the industry! Is it only unqualified uninvolved people who can speak?

I sell batteries among a big range of other products and am qualified to talk about the technology but if course any time I do so, certain people can only accuse me of self-promotion. If you want to learn about anything surely you ask those who know? Can't the likes of Dave and Robert offer free advice?

Some need to get over themselves and take a chill pill...

[NZsarge]

Some need to get over themselves and take a chill pill...

Yes I agree, if someone provides an outstanding service at a reasonable cost he MUST be a crook right?
Dave didn't need to come to New Zealand and help a considerable number of riders find new joy and greater safety in riding their bikes but he did and I for one am eternally greatful, why is it when someone actually goes out of their way to make our pastime better there's always someone that has to drag him down?
To those I refer to I say stop being so f'ing cynical and butt the hell out and go and annoy someone that actually deserves it.

[NZsarge]

And might I add... Dave was invited to come here...

[SVboy]

Seriously JDracing? Life sounds stressful at your place. Step back, big breaths and relaxxxxxxx. You have failed to see all the good in this which is a shame. I do imagine you are really good at chopping down those tall poppies in that immaculate garden of yours!

[Mort]

Perhaps JD Racing would like to publish his tax returns and bank statements on here just to show he practices what he preaches....

Actually, I have a better idea, why don't you mind your own business and shut the fuck up.

[Robert Taylor]

Perhaps JD Racing would like to publish his tax returns and bank statements on here just to show he practices what he preaches....

Actually, I have a better idea, why don't you mind your own business and shut the fuck up.

If you can de-emotionalise this JD actually has a very valid point about US companies ( I will remove suspension and assert not neccessarily just US based companies) producing false invoices. I was ( totally without prompting ) offered a false invoice just last week from a US supplier ( non suspension related ) and politely declined being a part of what is fraud. This practice which is widespread is seriously undermining NZ businesses.

I havent got the foggiest idea who JD is but from posts that he made several years back its obvious that he is a suspension company in another country. He is entitled to his opinion and doesnt need to adhere to your less than polite request.

[300weatherby]

That to me reads like an advertisment for a commercial venture not a thanks thread. If Dave is intending to comply with the work visa requirements then fair play to him and good luck, a one off event is one thing, a regular venture is another.
It's bad enough that recognised US suspension companies are providing false invoices so that customs duties can be avoided by those importing goods undercutting local businesses, to start coming over profiteering off the hard yards put in by established local enterprises illegally is not on.

Actually, Dave Moss is not taking work off anybody, and if I had a specific set of knowledge and skills that allowed me to have a look about in another country without emptying my wallet doing it, I would bloody do it too. Am wondering if you are perhaps more than a little envious, as you are not doing it yourself, would quite like to know why you are clearly upset/passionate about this?

[Gianz]

Dave Moss is knowledgeable in his field and he knows how to speak to riders. He gave a lot of free advice online to all of us. He deserves to be paid for what he does. But to do that in Nz you need a valid visa and you need to comply with the law. Having travelled a lot doesn't mean you are entitled to get your money back on the taxpayer's. Shit I travelled even farther than him but for 2 years here I paid taxes without having anything back (no welfare, no hospitals, no education etc). But that's part of the game, I choose to do it and I don't want Bert (my first kiwi flatmate) from Oamaru to pay for me. I'm probably paying the dole to that slacker now. AND if the guy who "invited" Dave here made money out of it, then that guy is just a dickhead, easy as. Dave charges 20$ in the states for his job (you can see it on youtube clearly).
On the other hand (or end) I saw some of RTaylor's videos. Not very friendly, are you? You come out like that guy that knows about something but who doesn't really want to say too much because in the end it's not such a hard or skilled work to justify the hefty prices he charges. Better keep it obscure and "take to the experts".
That's the impression I've got from your videos.

[Robert Taylor]

Dave Moss is knowledgeable in his field and he knows how to speak to riders. He gave a lot of free advice online to all of us. He deserves to be paid for what he does. But to do that in Nz you need a valid visa and you need to comply with the law. Having travelled a lot doesn't mean you are entitled to get your money back on the taxpayer's. Shit I travelled even farther than him but for 2 years here I paid taxes without having anything back (no welfare, no hospitals, no education etc). But that's part of the game, I choose to do it and I don't want Bert (my first kiwi flatmate) from Oamaru to pay for me. I'm probably paying the dole to that slacker now. AND if the guy who "invited" Dave here made money out of it, then that guy is just a dickhead, easy as. Dave charges 20$ in the states for his job (you can see it on youtube clearly).
On the other hand (or end) I saw some of RTaylor's videos. Not very friendly, are you? You come out like that guy that knows about something but who doesn't really want to say too much because in the end it's not such a hard or skilled work to justify the hefty prices he charges. Better keep it obscure and "take to the experts".
That's the impression I've got from your videos.

Not so skilled? Come and spend a day or two in our workshop and find out, also evidence the heavy investment in equipment we have. The devil as is so often the case is in the detail. We one on one actually convey a LOT of setup information to our customers. Also evidence the many posts on here where I have helped people understand suspension, making things a whole lot less obscure. All things that Dave Moss does. Im not that comfortable behind a camera and in any event are always accused of being over serious, thats just the way I am, but you get a square deal and I resent the ( misunderstood ) accusation of hefty prices. Perhaps if we had less investment and cut corners we could offer lower prices, but that Im not prepared to do.
Every day we also see work that has been done by new ''experts'' or theyve read all about it on the net so ''anyone can do it''. Thankfully not everyone is stupid but its sobering to think that when you are mucking around with this stuff youve got the potential to hurt or even kill people and Daves message is also( very correctly ) safety.