"Restorative justice"

[mashman]

I was wondering how long it would take for the "he found it" line to be trotted out.

After he "found it" he was asked by the victim if a phone had been handed in, and he denied it. At that point, it was no longer the great kiwi "score", and became theft - by someone trusted (and employed) to protect the victim.

Glad I'm here to state the obvious.

Yes, he lied. It wasn't theft, it was dishonesty at best. And it was dealt with. Same as any other fucked up situation where a person is caught. Hope he doesn't do it again.

[Smifffy]

The day may come when YOUR house gets turned over by thieving deadbeats while you are at work earning the taxes that pay their dole as they rob you, maybe your dog dies cause they give it a cooked whole chicken to eat as a distaction,

Maybe your wife/daughter/sister gets beaten, raped.

Maybe something less, like your fence gets tagged to fuck while you sleep in your bed

Any of those things happens to you.....you and your high and mighty pc better than me position might get a rethink. Unlike you, I am strong enough to stand up in the face of wrongdoers and don't lower myself to be the politicaly correct handwringing wet weak sop that you occupy as a positition to exuse your willingness to accept injustice without a fight.

I believe in right not wrong, I believe in justice, not turning the cheek, I will stand, irrespective of the odds, in defence of what I believe in, weak people like you are part of the cause of the epidemic crime swamping society like a cancer unchecked.

My fence has been tagged more times than I care to count. It upsets me whole lot less than this restorative justice bullshit.

[mashman]

See post 41...

See post #46 .

[Virago]

Glad I'm here to state the obvious.

Yes, he lied. It wasn't theft, it was dishonesty at best. And it was dealt with. Same as any other fucked up situation where a person is caught. Hope he doesn't do it again.

I hope you don't park your bike on the street, mate - someone might "find" it.

[Smifffy]

I guess the point is that the person who had the phone has said that they don't believe the excuses the perp gave and they don't accept his apology either. So how is that in any way restorative? Surely the onus is now on the perp to somehow show and prove that he is genuinely sorry and will change his ways, even in the face of temptation.

So it wasn't 'dealt with'

[mashman]

I hope you don't park your bike on the street, mate - someone might "find" it.

You think I haven't had stuff stolen before? There's fuck all you can do about it short of reporting it and hoping that the person gets caught. It's stuff. Sure I get pissed when it happens, but it happens, freaking the fuck out doesn't change a damned thing.

[mashman]

I guess the point is that the person who had the phone has said that they don't believe the excuses the perp gave and they don't accept his apology either. So how is that in any way restorative? Surely the onus is now on the perp to somehow show and prove that he is genuinely sorry and will change his ways, even in the face of temptation.

So it wasn't 'dealt with'

Ohhhhhhh to troll, but no, I shall resist, as I am the bigger man. The guy got shitty. He probably got his phone back. Did the victim take part in the restorative justice process, or spit the dummy and call for his head from minute one?

[Smifffy]

You think I haven't had stuff stolen before? There's fuck all you can do about it short of reporting it and hoping that the person gets caught. It's stuff. Sure I get pissed when it happens, but it happens, freaking the fuck out doesn't change a damned thing.

Why would you hope they get caught if all they do is say "sorry"?

They could leave a note at the time: "Sorry I nicked your Ipad, please don't think bad of me. I promise I won't nick any more."

Then they wouldn't need to be caught. Job done. Justice restored.

[Virago]

You think I haven't had stuff stolen before?

No, not stolen. "Found".

[mashman]

Why would you hope they get caught if all they do is say "sorry"?

They could leave a note at the time: "Sorry I nicked your Ipad, please don't think bad of me. I promise I won't nick any more."

Then they wouldn't need to be caught. Job done.

If they're a repeat offender, then by all means escalate the punishment.

[mashman]

No, not stolen. "Found".

True, it should have been "stolen".

[Ocean1]

My fence has been tagged more times than I care to count. It upsets me whole lot less than this restorative justice bullshit.

This isn't restoritive justice, it's an employer trying to avoid bad publicity, paperwork and possibly litigation. You'd know if it was restoritive justice because the victim's total losses would have been restored at the cost of the perpetrator. If criminals are caught often enough that's penalty enough to prevent them reoffending.

[jim.cox]

If criminals are caught often enough that's penalty enough to prevent them reoffending.

Chop their heads off - they wont reoffend then

[mashman]

This isn't restoritive justice, it's an employer trying to avoid bad publicity, paperwork and possibly litigation. You'd know if it was restoritive justice because the victim's total losses would have been restored at the cost of the perpetrator. If criminals are caught often enough that's penalty enough to prevent them reoffending.

Was the phone returned or did the "perp" offer to return the phone? I haven't seen that in any of the scribblings.

[Smifffy]

If they're a repeat offender, then by all means escalate the punishment.

How would you ever know if they are a repeat offender? They could leave apology notes everywhere. Get a bulk discount at the local office supply place, or nick a business copier...

What if the first offence is a car, the second a laptop but the third 'only a cell phone'?

Fuck it - give him his second chance - we all know that post grad students will never amount to anything anyway, have more money than they know what to do with and don't have any need for technology. They're lazy fuckers too, never doing any work or going out of their way to take advantage of life's opportunities. Probably never go on to contribute anything to society like our friend the caretaker. After all universities don't exist to advance the cause of students, they are there to provide social justice for the dishonest.